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    Matching Numbers

    In about a week I'm going to make a 5 hour drive to go look at a 1969 911t that is for sale. The owner supplied me with a Vin #119121269 and engine #6195751. He has the original invoice from '69 that states:
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    My question is without a COA or kardex is there any way to verify that the engine belongs to that chassis. It doesn't really mater to me as I'm looking for something to drive and not obsess over but I know it can greatly effect value and I'd just like to be able to make a informed purchase.
    Thank You very Much Forrest

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    My question is without a COA or kardex is there any way to verify that the engine belongs to that chassis.
    Not really Forrest....

    However, (a BIG however) your engine number is consistent with your VIN as a '69T U.S. delivered Karmann coupe - Engine type 901/16

    It's a VERY good chance it's the engine that came with the car..... But you can't be 100% sure without the paperwork...

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    Thanks. I thought that would be the answer, but I knew it wouldn't hurt to ask the informed.

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    Like Chuck said, pretty good bet it is original to the car.

    Car #119121270, 1 VIN later, has engine 6195749
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    Quote Originally Posted by beh911 View Post
    Like Chuck said, pretty good bet it is original to the car.

    Car #119121270, 1 VIN later, has engine 6195749
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    Does not his original invoice have the engine and trans numbers on it?
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    Or look in the glove box or ask to see the Red service booklet supplied with every car. Many times the original dealer will enter the Vin# and engine # as there are spaces for those entries. Chris
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    Sounds like a great opportunity. Let us know how it turns out.

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    If you have the correct VIN then its ezzie!

    This is what I normally do (but not always):

    First you add the numbers 911 to the end of the vin #, then multiply the first 5 numbers x 7, then use that total and eliminate the 3rd and 6th number and divide that total by 1.8999. The number that you get should be somewhere in the range of infinite calculations, to hopefully (in a chance of 1 billion to 1) be the number your looking for!

    Good luck...... this calculation has really never worked for me but I was told it might someday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby1953 View Post
    If you have the correct VIN then its ezzie!

    This is what I normally do (but not always):

    First you add the numbers 911 to the end of the vin #, then multiply the first 5 numbers x 7, then use that total and eliminate the 3rd and 6th number and divide that total by 1.8999. The number that you get should be somewhere in the range of infinite calculations, to hopefully (in a chance of 1 billion to 1) be the number your looking for!

    Good luck...... this calculation has really never worked for me but I was told it might someday!

    KJ
    That is the same math I use,when I don't get the numbers I want I just change them to get the answers I need.

    The current owner will let me dig through all the paper work when I get to him. Although the numbers I am asking about might be on the invoice I'm just trying to educate myself rather than making a wild assumption in the excitement of the moment. Did I mention that this will be my first Porsche I'm making the drive with cash in my pocket and a trailer in tow. I'm buying it as an enthusiast as I want to use it for what it is a sporty classic to drive. Thanks again for all the help.

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