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    Nice driver quality 69E targa

    P1070153.jpg

    Asking $49,950

    links to outdoor pics: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...1lSGpsT1lTUERR

    detail pics https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...5Au4HKIWp65JML

    This is a very nice, driver quality 1969 911E Porsche targa. Vin # 119210125.
    I have made two online albums with over 100 total pictures that I can send to interested parties

    Engine: This car has a great running engine. The engine number is 3380211 (1968, 2.0), type 901-17, it is not numbers matching but it looks correct and has the proper mechanical fuel injection system. The motor starts easily, idles smooth, makes good power, does not smoke, is not leaky and makes good oil pressure. In other words it runs great.

    Transmission: #5191631 is a type 902/16 also not numbers matching, 6:29 ring and pinion, A, GA, O, U, Z gear set. The transmission shifts smooth, has good syncros. etc. The clutch and shift mechanisms are very good.

    Chassis: Good solid chassis. The front suspension pan/battery are has been replaced in the past and the job was well done so no rust in that most rust prone area. The floor boards, rockers etc. are all good. There are two or three small rust bubbles in the paint and they are minor, other than that I cannot find any rust (please see pics.), including underneath the car on a lift.

    Body and paint: This car is color changed from Bahama yellow to blue metallic, it is a good looking older paint job with some patina, several people have seen it and really like the color. All body panels are original and all door and hood gaps are good and there is no evidence of any past accident damage. The targa top is in great shape inside and out.
    The entire front trunk has been restored and is excellent (see pics).

    Brakes: Calipers look new or new old stock they still have excellent original, shiny, white zinc plating. The brakes work great, the brake discs also look very good. The car stops as it should.

    Suspension and tires: The suspension is good, the wheels are Porsche fuchs 6x16 inch the tires are older and may need to be replaced, although the tread is excellent.

    Interior: Nice over all condition. There is one dash crack. The carpets are in fair condition, the seats are after market German units made by Konig. The steering wheel is a Motolita. The stereo is an am/fm cassette Panasonic and the radio works great, I have not tested the cassette. Rear seat belts are also installed.

    Options: This car came with several interesting options including: rear wiper, rear tow hook and foot rest which are all still present. Picture of the certificate of authenticity is shown.

    From what I can tell everything works except the horn and the emergency flashers, I have not investigated further, it may be bad relays. I did replace all of the fuses with new ones so it should not be that. This car has two new (one month old) Porsche brand batteries.

    This Targa comes with a very nice original jack, spare tire, the original owner’s manual is in fair to poor condition and it has an owner’s manual cover. This Porsche does not have a tool kit.
    1975 911S targa , 1989 944 turbo S original paint survivor, 1978 924 track car, 1980 924 m471 sport options

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    a 338 series engine with 'proper' mechanical fuel injection?

    ~J~
    air cooled only

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    It is real simple a 68 engine got swapped out for the original 69E engine and the 69E fuel injection system was retained. I believe the compression ratio, cams etc are the same if not they are very similar between the 68 and 69 both are obviously 2.0 liters etc. It works well as this engine runs great, feels just like the other two 69E's that I have had in the past.
    1975 911S targa , 1989 944 turbo S original paint survivor, 1978 924 track car, 1980 924 m471 sport options

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    P1070147.jpg Here is a picture of the engine, it looks absolutely right and it runs right just like a 69E should.
    1975 911S targa , 1989 944 turbo S original paint survivor, 1978 924 track car, 1980 924 m471 sport options

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    I'm sure you mean just the case was swapped out.

    Pistons, heads, cams are all different on MFI 2.0.

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    The engine got changed more than 20 years ago and I don't have records from back then. I don't know if they changed out just the case, the whole engine, or just the bottom end.

    A 1968 901/17 is 9.1:1 compression, cams same or similar to solex cams used from 65-68/69 and 130 Din. A 69E type 901/09 is 9.1:1 compression and I believe 69E cams are also the same or similar to solex and 911 (non-s, non-t) used from 65-68/69 and a 69E is 140 Din it is known that adding mfi added about 10 Din horsepower.

    The heads are the same or similar, however mfi heads have holes drilled and tapped for the fuel injectors, that is the only difference I believe.

    "back in the day" , back when these were just used cars, often when you had an engine problem a lot of shops if they had a good engine laying around just swapped it out, they were'nt concerned with engine numbers that is why the "lost and found" thread here is so long and getting longer by the day.

    People act like a non-numbers matching engine is unusual, so many cars don't have their original engine, it is quite common actually. The reason this car is $50,000 and not $100,000 is because it is not numbers matching and it is color changed etc. In other words this is a nice driver and it is discounted 50% (from $100,000 to $50,000) to account for the less than concourse condition, the number swap and color change etc.
    1975 911S targa , 1989 944 turbo S original paint survivor, 1978 924 track car, 1980 924 m471 sport options

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    1968 901/17 was a 911L motor, I believe...
    Peter Kane

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    Here's your car's CoA.

    Compression ratios are the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

    Cool to see the tow hook still there!

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