Original post....
Original post....
Last edited by Chuck Miller; 04-09-2014 at 10:28 AM.
Issues with rust makes me doubt that anywhere near 80% of the long hoods survive. Even today with rising values it's easy for repairs to exceed the value of the car so back 25-30 years ago a lot of these cars went to the scrap heap. I'm sure that there are a lot more engines and transmissions than bodies surviving.
1968 Coupe
901/10 with 2.2 Ps and Cs
Webers
911/01
7s on all corners
Now Sold
No way 80%...
John
1959 356 Coupe, 1600 Super, sold
1960 356 Roaster, race car, SCCA, sold
1960 356 Roadster, show car, sold.
1962 356 Cab, show car, sold.
1965 911 #301111, Red Book Vol 1 "Cover Car," owned 54 years.
1967 911 #307347, bare-bones, some road wear, a little surface rust, and a few dents..., owned 14 years.
1970 914/6GT, (Sold - ran the last three Rennsports)owned 30 years.
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This interesting topic comes up a lot
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-Accounted-For
My guesstimate is more like 10% of the early cars exist, with more surfacing all the time due to value, but with so many wrecked and dust binned due to rust, it will never be more than 20%.
Just my opinion
They are probably coming up with this calculating the number of 911's they've made since say 1978 and on. They are looking at the whole line up through the modern 911's. Even if there's only 20% of the long hoods left they can still say 80% because of all the newer 911's that are made in the thousands. That's what you call good marketing.
72S, 72T now ST
I don`t know how most are viewing this; I looked out in the garage and there is more than 80% of my 3 cars left.... One is a 67 912 though!!!!there were a lot of 912 made, so maybe these need to be included in the equation..Cliff
Last edited by Cliff; 02-12-2012 at 03:53 PM.
Raj back to the beach......
86 Sport Purpose Carrera "O4"
I know of a two owner 66 (with black plates)911 that is not listed on any registry, unless he decides to sell it to me some day.......
Last edited by Cliff; 02-12-2012 at 03:54 PM.
Isn't there someone on here that works with actuarial numbers for an an auto insurer ? Maybe he could chime in here.
Not long ago, it seems I read an article in a Hemmings magazine about this very thing regarding collector car actuarial numbers, and something was mentioned about an across the board 20-30 % for certain year vintages, and when talking about prewar numbers, it was like falling off a cliff due to scrap drives taking out the majority of the population.
So......since this last part of the equation eliminates that scenario, since we are talking since the late 40's and on, the biggest attrition rates in my mind would be wear out, rust out, and crash out, maybe in that order.
I bet the numbers for pre galvanized bodies is more like 10% or less world wide. When we were in Germany and speaking with a representative of the German Porsche Club about 914's, he said he had numbers showing that around 200 total were left then in the data base....... In 1991 ! This is for teeners ! What the heck happened to them all ???? RUST, Hell-hole issues, Crash damage.
My guess here for 911's is more survived, because they were a little more valued, a little more special, but the toll world wide HAS to be huge for the un-galvanized longhoods.
Just my thoughts on a subject that comes to mind for me often. Here in the midwest, we just don't see many remaining, even at Porsche car shows or track events.
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mrgreenjeans
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-'68 -912 Red
-'74 -914-2.0 litre - Sunflower
-'82/83 -944 -M404 - Guards Red
-'84 -944 -M456 - Guards Red -Weissach Prep. -H52
-'84 -944 -M456 - Zermatt Silver
-'84 -944 -M404 - Sunroof Delete - Ruby Red
-'85.2 - 944 -M456 -Zermatt / Sport Purposes
-'86 -944 -R74 Spt.Touring Pkg - White/Burgandy
-'88 -944 - Jubilee Ltd. Ed. -Satin Black Met/Grey Plaid
-'88 -911 - Tourist Delivery -Venetian Blue
-'89 -944 Turbo M030 - Satin Black Met.
Porsche have simply done the math, based on the crazy prices being charged for the now 'ultra-rare' toolkits that came standard with every 911 ever manufactured - on this basis definitely more than 80% of the production must still be on the road
Martin