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    Steve,

    The seat belts in 0091 are probably a later addition. No mention of them on the original build list. The seat belt is the 74 to 76? version with a different B style hook than the one used for the 72/73 version. The covers look original and were still available after 1973. Not uncommon to see F models 911 with seat belts mounted in later years.

    Rgds, Cees

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    Thanks for the info Cees. The ones chosen didn’t blend in well visually. There was a lot going on with seatbelts around then with country brand variations, regulatory nuances across regions and belt design evolution. For example in UK common to see Kangol three point static in the early RS using the BSI regulated mounts rather than the repa. In 72 shown sometimes as separate item on invoice here as importer fit; not factory. Hope you are well and keeping safe.

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    I agree, probably too much shiny polish compound used on it
    Here a 72T, same appearance and with the correct year seat belt: https://www.flickr.com/photos/724856...7713188783886/
    More nice pictures for that car available in that album.

    All well and safe, just arrived in Norway for a 10 day quarantine period prior to go to work...

    Stay well!
    Last edited by fourteenten; 06-26-2020 at 02:19 AM. Reason: add info

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    The Carrera RS was not sold officially in USA so equipment market norms for there don’t apply although sometimes these not to original specification things creep in on restorations.

    Sometimes by choice and sometimes through lack of knowledge and diligence

    While belts could be factory fitted they were also a dealer or as in the U.K. fitted by the sole importer to conform to the prevailing local regulations and standards regarding things like anchorage location and the certification of the belt itself. Here in U.K. BSI ( British standards Institute). Although Europe was becoming a “common market” automotive regulations were not yet harmonised across Europe and not all countries were enrolled. Some still not part of the EU. Imo there is more variation on belts than the often default to Repa. For example in the U.K. a market where the model was sold seatbelts were mandatory to fit but not use since around 1965 however curiously for an expensive motor car Porsche still showed an additional charge for seatbelts in the accessories and options price list Even by model year 1973 — top of list without an option number but has a price of £12.50 pair.

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    And around the time seatbelt pair were shown as a line item on the new car invoice as on this extract from original UK invoice:
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    I certainly would find it curious if I saw belts like that on an early 72 built RHD RS.
    Details are important in understanding exactly what car is and who’s been messing with it imo.

    There were Swiss nuances to specification and folks here who know them ( eg iirc they required different horns) plus there many other country market configuration and regulatory things besides that are relevant to look into if folks care enough.


    To be clear.... Not saying that there is an issue with this RS example but anachronistic details such as this do catch the eye on a car that claims “doesn’t need a single thing”.

    Steve
    Last edited by 911MRP; 06-27-2020 at 03:54 AM.

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    Speaking seat belts. This Yellow RS listed by DK has rear seat belts. Never seen this on any other example... after market?

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    https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sale...arrera_rs.html

    They could be Porsche, 924? but definitely not standard or even optional. Rear seat belts were only optioned for the US/CDN, may be AUS market. Front seat belts are aftermarket for sure.
    Nice car but shame it has G model knee pads and stickers on the steering column switches..This car has been on/off the market a couple of times.

    Rgds, Cees

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    I don’t recall seeing belts fitted to rear of RS by factory either but I guess it could’ve been specified however attitudes to seatbelts was different back then. In the U.K. rear belts were made made mandatory to wear only comparatively recently according to wiki:
    “ Rear seat belts were compulsory equipment from 1986 and became compulsory for them to be worn in 1991.”
    So unlikely top of mind for original purchaser to specify rears here back in 72/3 But maybe regulations and attitudes to such things varied by country where RS sold new?

    Mine had black plastic plugs in rear belt fitting location.


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    Last edited by 911MRP; 06-28-2020 at 03:26 AM.

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    Yellow RS

    Anybody know this car or have opinions on condition etc?
    https://www.europeancollectibles.com...911-carrera-rs

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    1364 has been on and off the market since at least 2010 when it was sold/auctioned in Essen. It was once in GP/white/blue and I think Canepa did the resto, no idea why buyers/dealers did not enjoy the car but sold it again. Just for profit? Of course there are small things not entirely period correct but not many restored cars are 100% either.

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    FS: @Silverstone Auctions - 1973 2.7L 911 Carrera RS - 0312

    The Silverstone Classic Live Online Auction, 31st July - 2nd August 2020
    1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 Touring
    VIN: 9113600312
    Engine: -
    Trans: -
    Color: Light Yellow/Black
    Mileage: 77,196 km (indicated)
    Auction Estimate: £400,000 - £450,000/~US$503,500 - $566,500
    Sold for: NO SALE Available for: £425,000/~US$555,180 (Subject to 12.5% +VAT Buyer's Premium)

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    Auction Description (UPDATED):

    - Left hand drive – Touring specification
    - £180,000 restoration by Porsche specialists, Gantspeed
    - Matching numbers with original engine and gearbox
    - Porsche Certificate of Authenticity and full history
    - Concours condition
    - Realistically priced to sell today

    This car is a left-hand drive Touring model supplied new to Germany in Light Yellow with black upholstery, as it is today, and has been with our private vendor for the last 6 years. During its life, like most RS’ in their early days, it has travelled around the world ~ including several years in Hong Kong.

    Back in 2007/2008 as Robert Gant was firmly establishing Gantspeed as one of the premier Porsche Specialists in the UK, he took this car to make it his “signature restoration project” and thus left no stone unturned in the 2 years plus restoration of the car which included absolutely everything. This work was all fully documented and photographed with over 500 pictures on file. The total invoices add up to in excess of £180,000 in total spend and the car has covered very few Km since then.

    The car was finished to such a high standard, both mechanically and cosmetically, that it was used by Gantspeed to promote their business for several years and was their car of choice in all their national advertising for many years after the work was completed.

    Our vendor has used it occasionally but most of the time it sits in his bespoke luxury garage amid several other amazing 911s, including the low mileage 996 GT3 RS and 993 RS also offered in this Sale, being correctly stored and used only when the sun shines. Like all his cars though, it has been professionally maintained and annually serviced.

    This original matching numbers car is offered with a Porsche Certificate of Authenticity and one of the most comprehensive history files we have ever seen.


    Earlier Auction Description:

    - European-delivered, left-hand drive, Touring-spec RS (M472) indicating 77,000km (atoc)
    - Raced and rallied in its early years before being imported into the UK in 2007 and registered TGF 708L in 2008
    - £40,000 recent expenditure with a highly regarded Porsche specialist and now 'on the button', the bodyshell has been subject to reconstruction and hence listed with an appropriate guide price. Shut-lines, panel gaps and geometry are all very good
    - Engine numbers match factory records. Gearbox rebuilt. Full geometry set up. Fresh FIA Technical Passport
    - The history file contains detailed invoices for recent works, the current V5c, FIA papers, a Letter of Authenticity from Porsche GB, invoices for maintenance over the years, previous HTP papers (exp Dec 2019), older MOT Certificates, the current MoT expiring 17 June 2021, a wealth of invoices for the aforementioned recent works, a copy of the HTTP application and other related documents
    - This 911 Carrera 2.7 RS Touring (VIN 9113600312) was built to a home-market, left-hand drive spec in December 1972 (1973 MY), finished in factory Pale Yellow with a black interior and is recorded as having been sold on the 1st of January 1973.

    Documents within the history file suggest that 0312 was raced and rallied, mainly in France, from 1973-75. During 1975, records indicate that the car was updated to 3.0 RSR specification and continued its rallying career until around 1982. There are details of the car competing in 'Rallye Ronde de la Durance’, 'Critérium des Cévennes’ and ’Glace Neige’ with numerous drivers including Lucien Bec. In 1985, the car was sold to a German buyer wearing 3.0 RS bodywork and is believed to have been stored in a heated garage, unused and gathering dust. Further documents and research conducted by previous owners outline most of the car's history from the late 80s to 2015, including FIA HTP papers granted in 2014.

    Our vendor purchased RS 0312 from a respected classic Porsche dealer based in Florida on 29th October 2015 and instantly set about a schedule of works to have this RS set up for drive ability on the road with occasional circuit use. All subsequent work was to be entrusted to a UK-based, highly-regarded Porsche specialist and the history file contains detailed inspection reports and invoices totaling over £40,000 to prepare the car correctly. Current FIA HTP papers have been applied for and granted, although due to the current Covid-19 situation they are currently awaited. The RS is accompanied by evidence of research conducted by previous owners (upon which this description is based), a Letter of Authenticity from Porsche GB, invoices for maintenance over the years, previous HTP papers valid to December 19, older MOT Certificates, the current MOT expiring 17th June 2021, a wealth of invoices for the aforementioned recent works, a copy of the HTTP application and other related documents.

    In summary, this is a very well sorted 2.7 RS Touring that has been raced, rallied, maintained and rebuilt over the years with significant recent investment to ensure the car presents and performs well. Having been a competition car for many years the body-shell has been subject to reconstruction and hence listed with an appropriate guide price. Shut-lines, panel gaps and geometry are all very good, viewings and inspections are welcome. It's being offered by our vendor as he has recently purchased another very interesting 2.7RS and would like the funds to get this new project started. With fresh HTP papers, this is a super example of the legendary 2.7RS and, as well as being a stunning road car, could compete effectively at club level and be welcome at lots of prestigious motorsport events.
    Last edited by DOUGS73E; 08-04-2020 at 11:38 AM. Reason: Added sold for price.
    Doug Dill

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