"R" Gruppe 1970 S at Sloan

[Macroni]

I completely don't get the price. Maybe you have to see the car in person. It's not really an Early "S" - it's an R Gruppe car. If it was a "T" would they have sold it for high "T" money, say $35,000 or $40,000? An "S" is valuable for what it is - I'm not trying to take anything away from this car - it looks sweet. But it shouldn't get an "S" premium anymore; if it's worth that much "in its own right" that's different, but hot rods rarely sell for $100K+, no matter how much $ went into them.

I do not understand what you are questioning? I have a 1973 3.2L T that I would be selling for less than I have into it if I sold it for the sloan asking. What does a 2.5L twinplug alone cost to build?

[ChristianS]

Nice car - with the exception of the somehow strange roll-bar which could be changed quickly.

The rims look more like 7s and 8s to me?

[blucille]

maybe he'll throw in a free shirt if you buy it at full asking price....

doubt it.



http://sloancarsapparel.bigcartel.com/

[naparsei]

Macroni,
I have 3 "T"s, I like them. My point is the value spectrum is driven by the trim level (for Early 911s) when they are original.

When anyone of them have been hot-rodded enough (new motor, etc.) it doesn't matter what the original trim level was in terms of value. It's now a hot rod. That's why most people start their hot rods with "T"s. It appears to me (and I could certainly be wrong) that part of the perceived value is that this car was "born" an S.

I disagree with that approach. However, if as a hotrod on its own merits (regardless of whether it was a "T", "E", or "S") it is worth $100K, then great. But I have seen few hotrod cars sell for $100K. My ST inspired car has an insane amount of money in it as well, and it started life as a 1971 911T... I like hot rods, I like this car, but I am surprised it is a (market value) $104,000 car. Just my opinion.

[tfmcmahon]

I completely don't get the price. Maybe you have to see the car in person. It's not really an Early "S" - it's an R Gruppe car. If it was a "T" would they have sold it for high "T" money, say $35,000 or $40,000? An "S" is valuable for what it is - I'm not trying to take anything away from this car - it looks sweet. But it shouldn't get an "S" premium anymore; if it's worth that much "in its own right" that's different, but hot rods rarely sell for $100K+, no matter how much $ went into them.

Keep in mind who is selling it.That`s a 20% mark up from where the real owner would start his sale price.After the market plunge today,it might well be lower by tomorrow!!!

[blucille]

Not a bad car, but if i had to buy a car in inventory and a hot rod from only sloans i would pick this one.

raj

http://sloancars.com/1953/1959-porsc...k-sport-seats/

come on, Raj. this one is clearly the better car...

http://sloancars.com/1780/1963-porsc...-outlaw-coupe/

[beh911]

Macroni,
I have 3 "T"s, I like them. My point is the value spectrum is driven by the trim level (for Early 911s) when they are original.

When anyone of them have been hot-rodded enough (new motor, etc.) it doesn't matter what the original trim level was in terms of value. It's now a hot rod. That's why most people start their hot rods with "T"s. It appears to me (and I could certainly be wrong) that part of the perceived value is that this car was "born" an S.

I disagree with that approach. However, if as a hotrod on its own merits (regardless of whether it was a "T", "E", or "S") it is worth $100K, then great. But I have seen few hotrod cars sell for $100K. My ST inspired car has an insane amount of money in it as well, and it started life as a 1971 911T... I like hot rods, I like this car, but I am surprised it is a (market value) $104,000 car. Just my opinion.

I thought the same thing when I saw the price--what would it be worth had it not started as an S. I totally see what you are questioning - not dinging the car, just wondering about the origins of its valuation.

[LongRanger]

. . . Does anyone know who built this car? Surely it must have shown up somewhere . . .

Hmm. No VIN information was given . . . but I would think --- especially at this price-point --- any Buyer will do some due-diligence. Surprised that the Seller doesn't just disclose this stuff up front. Oh well . . .

. . . I have 3 "T"s, I like them . . . But I have seen few hotrod cars sell for $100K. My ST inspired car has an insane amount of money in it as well, and it started life as a 1971 911T . . . I like hot rods, I like this car, but I am surprised it is a (market value) $104,000 car . . .

There have been some pretty spectacular cars put up here, usually with values impacted by the 'numbers matching' issue. Apparently this one's do.

I think it'll be interesting to see how the prices/values of an un-modified/stock car without matching numbers compare with a modified car with --- like this one . . . especially with Monterey coming up this next week.

And what would an Tango '70 'S' be worth un-modified?

As for the price? . . . . askin's not the same as gettin.'

Rick

[reed]

Critiquing prices on Sloan cars is a futile exercise. His prices bear little resemblance to market prices, just like those shops in the casinos.

As an example, take a look at this car on his site and take note of the asking price. Familiar?

http://sloancars.com/1689/1974-porsc...k-45000-miles/

[Macroni]

raj

BTW did C huergas's old car break a 100K?that maybe a good acid test.

Not the first time it was sold on EBay it went for $55,000...... I know it was sold again and certainly did not hear it went for $100,000....