Is it the color?

[Frank Beck]

I think it's sort of between 2 stools

As in Bristol Stool Chart?

[geshaghi]

While I think we will soon be at a place where entry level for a driver level T longhood will be $100k, I don't think we're there yet. The $100k neighborhood is still top of the market for a T, even a mechanically injected 72, so buyers expect an exceptional car. Your car looks very nice, but still has some "needs" to make it right, as it really isn't a hot-rod as is, and some if the needed items make the car look almost unfinished. Step 1: take the car off the market. Step 2: put the trim back on, install the rear seats, add center caps to the wheels, install a stock steering and fix the flabby seats. Step 3: check what has happened during the Monterey auction madness, but be honest with yourself about how your car stacks up. Step 4: Relist the car for sale with a then-current price. Step 5: If you want a top of the market price based, be patient.

[sam71TargaS]

This is why I really like this forum, honest feedback and not a lot of BS. I agree with the majority of the comments and will be taking the car off of the market and will be addressing the areas to make it back to stock and some other very minor areas and will re list in September.

Thanks,
Sam

[Jim Breazeale]

Derek Tam-Scott at themotoringenthusiast.com had this 72 Sepia T for sale a few years ago. These are the two photos that told me "hey, I could own a Sepia T" Echoing George's comments above this car shows itself quite well in a more stock configuration.

That is John Montmorency's former car. I have a picture of that car as my screen saver. The color in the pictures posted do not reflect the true Sepia Brown that John's car is. By the way, I had the pleasure of flying John's stunning Staggerwing.

Regards

Jim

[Per Schroeder]

The color in the pictures posted do not reflect the true Sepia Brown that John's car is.
Regards

Jim

Sepia is best photographed in the sunlight, IMHO.

[boba]

It may be the color, it may be the interior. But most likely it is the fact that whenever you modify a car you reduce the available market to buyers looking for the same choices you made. Stock will always be the biggest market. There are formulations which have been market tested and have appeal. But even those can fade as do fashions.
Unsolicited advice, I could not get all the way through your ad, too long, too much. Brief description and let the car speak for itself, interested parties will contact you for more detail.

[Jim Breazeale]

Jim, that must have been an amazing experience to fly that plane!

Thanks for filling in the gaps on the Sepia 72 T ownership, I remember reading about how the T was set up when it was on the website for sale and should have jumped on that one, beautiful example.

Not to hi-jack this thread too badly but in my mind the two most amazing pieces of transportation designed to date are 1) the 911 and 2) the Beech Staggerwing first introduced in 1932. Just 29 years after the Wright Brothers first flight the Staggerwing was introduced, 450 hp radial engine and 202 mph cruising speed. Pretty amazing aeronautical engineering to be developed in the Depression era.

Bruce Ladd



Specifications (Beech Model D17S)
Beechcraft Model 17DS was designated YC-43 by the US Army Air Corps and used as liaison aircraft for the US Air Attachés in London, Paris and Rome

Data from Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II[18]

General characteristics

Crew: one
Capacity: three passengers
Payload: 125 lb (56.7 kg) of baggage
Length: 26 ft 10 in (8.18 m)
Wingspan: 32 ft (9.75 m)
Height: 8 ft (2.44 m)
Wing area: 296.5 ft² (27.55 m²)
Empty weight: 2,540 lb (1,150 kg)
Loaded weight: 4,250 lb (1,930 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-985-AN-1 "Wasp Junior" radial engine, 450 hp (340 kW) at 2,300 rpm

Performance

Maximum speed: 212 mph (184 knots, 341 km/h)
Cruise speed: 202 mph (176 knots, 325 (km/h)
Landing speed: 45 mph (39 knots, 72 km/h))
Range: 582 nm (670 mi, 1,078 km)
Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Rate of climb: 1,500 ft/min (7.6 m/s)
Wing loading: 14.3 lb/ft² (70.0 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 9.44 lb/hp (5.68 kg/kW)

I can talk about airplanes for hours. That flight was a thrill for me. The staggerwing cruised at just about the same speed as the B36TC that I was flying at the time, albiet the fuel burn was significantly higher. The Staggerwing has amazing performance given it's age. It rivaled many fighters of the same era. It has been labeled as the first real Corporate Aircraft. Anyone that considered John's 72T for purchase and passed on it, screwed up!

Ciao

Jim

[Chuck Miller]

Hey Jim,

On my annual Thanksgiving trip up to Chico CA. in 2005 I looked in on old man Cruces, of Cruces restoration and sales, and he had almost all of one in the shop think'n about trying to put it back together..... Not sure if the old Cruces is still with us, or if the Stagger still exists...

Forget golf.... now this would be a project..............

- 2005

[DOUGS73E]

Just to help get back on topic; a few random Sepia 911 images . . . the color looks different from shot to shot.