1973 Carrera RS Cars for Sale

[HughH]

Gert

I agree with both the spacing of the numbers on the vin in trunk which is incorrect for a 1973 car as well as the stamping on the aluminium plate. Is there a place where it is listed on line or did you have to be there in person to see it?

0294 was a m471 but the real question is "is this car originally 0294?"

[RSTarga]

More of Heinz-Walter Schewe...

I've seen worse than that appear again.

[HughH]

Peter

thanks for that other photo of Heinz-Walter Schewe at the 1976 RAC rally. The time of that rally (late November 1976) is in the period where he owned 0294 so I think there is a good possibility that it was that car. It is hard to see what the damage was from that photo but this one shows it better.
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I am fairly certain that this car that crashed in the 1976 Lombard RAC was NOT the blue car 0810 as the various commentaries around it on line during a sales process some years ago said that "he had it from new and competed in it in the 74 and 75 RAC - DNF both times" - But no mention of that car being in the 76 RAC where this accident happened. So unless that commentary was inaccurate it would suggest the white car 0294 was the one that crashed in Nov 1976.
A board member in the USA currently owns the blue car and has posted about it on this board. Maybe he can add some information if he is reading this thread

On a further examination I also think that the other photo I posted (post 1199) which showed him at the 1977 Rally Costa Brava (Mid February 1977 so only 2 months after the RAC accident) is more likely to be the blue car 0810 not 0294 as here is a photo of the blue car at the 1976 rallye Trifels (Nurburgring??) ( Schewe Druba car #8) with similar flares and a paint scheme like the one at the rally Costa Brava.
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I have photos of the blue car wearing registration numbers SY SW 97 (the same as the car in the crash) as well as HA HS 78. The HA HS 78 plates were on it in 1974 and also in photos in 1976. However this photo shows the SY SW 97 plates on a blue car which I can only believe is 0810 at the Inn-Chiemgau Rallye in October 1976
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EDIT

I have just seen David's post. David I agree but probably not in a two month time frame especially when you have another RS lightweight rally car to use. I would not be surprised if a "reshelling" of the car occurred back at that time accounting for the incorrect spacing of the VIN numbers in the photo from Gert NGT that first started this. After all they were competition cars to be used to the maximum and kept up to date, and safe to use, at that time - not precious things to be wrapped in cotton wool and with owners fussing over tiny details :-) Also according to the board accompanying it he had it from 1974 to 2011.

[Gert NGT]

I just typed quite a lot of text but it didn't get posted due to some kind of error. I can't find a draft of it as well. Any chance administrator can find/fix it? Or retype the whole thing?
Sorry... a bit new here...

[Rick Cabell]

I think Hugh's edit is spot on. There is no reason why any effort would be put into a body that damaged. Much easier to transfer all the mechanicals onto another clean chassis.

[72targa]

I just typed quite a lot of text but it didn't get posted due to some kind of error. I can't find a draft of it as well. Any chance administrator can find/fix it? Or retype the whole thing?
Sorry... a bit new here...

I'm betting you started a draft in the forum and waited too long before it cycled off (made it so you had to re-enter your ID/password) due to perceived lack of use. Maybe type it out in a Word document and then copy/paste it if really lengthy.

[Gert NGT]

Gert

I agree with both the spacing of the numbers on the vin in trunk which is incorrect for a 1973 car as well as the stamping on the aluminium plate. Is there a place where it is listed on line or did you have to be there in person to see it?

0294 was a m471 but the real question is "is this car originally 0294?"

@Peter, correct I had a long pause in between writing, which made me log out without me realizing it… lesson learned, and thx for the ‘Word’ hint.
@Hugh, you asked the right question there : “is this the real 0294?”
I saw the car in person and from what I could see neither of the important numbers were original, present or correct.
- VIN plate is reproduction : could be due to accident
- Engine number : not present
- Engine type number : not present
- Stamped number in chassis : is a mix of types of fonts, certainly not original. Number ‘3’, ‘2’ and probably also the ‘4’ is simply wrong and artificially put together.
But still the asking price is 1.45Mio€, maybe they had the papers of car nr 0294, I don’t know, I didn’t ask, but still… even if the papers are correct, what are you buying for that amount of money…

For comparison : artcurial offered RS 9113601518 during one of the auctions at Retromobile, and the highest bid was 'only' 340.000€ excl costs. The VIN plate and the chassis number were correct, the engine however was a 2.7 Carrera 74 version, but also with correct stamp in the block. They claimed it was restored, but to be honest you needed to restart the restauration if you want to bring it to état concours condition.

So how do we explain 1 Mio€ difference between those 2 cars… and what if suddenly another 0294 pops up with correct numbers… I’ve seen at least 3 fake RS’s in the last couple of months. This should not be taken as a normal situation in my opinion.

There was even another RS (at Retromobile, white, with blue letters) of which I don’t know the VIN, who had a falsified (is that a word?) RS engine number… The guy who sold it was even claiming to be working together with Porsche… great story… to get money out of your pockets.

Concerning the blue Schewe car, I found this link from when it was in Hong Kong (in 2015?) , no VIN number mentioned here :
http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/08/...rd-automotive/
My father and I met Mr Schewe a couple of times at the 24h of Ypres rally. His cars are very well prepared and almost too nice to rally them…

[Gert NGT]

I'm betting you started a draft in the forum and waited too long before it cycled off (made it so you had to re-enter your ID/password) due to perceived lack of use. Maybe type it out in a Word document and then copy/paste it if really lengthy.

Hi Peter, I retyped most of it last night. But when uploading it I got a message that someone needs to approve the message before it can be posted publically. Should I retry posting it?

[72targa]

Hi Peter, I retyped most of it last night. But when uploading it I got a message that someone needs to approve the message before it can be posted publically. Should I retry posting it?

Sure, give it a try. Haven't ever seen that system response before...

[Chuck Miller]

I just tried 'approving' the post...please see if you see it now...

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