Ultimate ST thread

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 72targa

May not be relevant to you but may be to others. What are your thoughts on the topic?

---

My take is that there is a difference between institutional records, vs random ad hoc abbreviations that individuals create and use. Those abbreviations may make sense to the person making the notation at the time but, to others might or might not. Meaning, not every written piece of information is relevant. Automatically attaching significance to every instance only creates churn when trying to come to a conclusion. I usually ignore those types of outliers in analysis until I see reoccurrence or pattern.

For instance, an antidote of a hand written “STR” on the inside of a fender could just as easily be the owners initials to identify a part meant for a particular car rather than an official reference to some production group.

I think several people are trying to set the record straight. However this is not easy due to a lot of misinformation and misinterpretation over the years. Many of the people that knew the truth are now dead and cannot help. The Factory, if anyone still there knows anything, is not helpful.
In 1972 there were two programs for the 2.7 engine; the 911 2.7S and what was to become the 911RS. So, some engines with 911/83 spec AND 1972 serial numbers exist, but just try and get information about them. Even with my contacts that is a very difficult project.
There certainly could be a book in the making here. I bought the book "The Lost Archive" by Michael Scott covering the 1970-71 period, and found it quite interesting. https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...k-2nd-printing

small update on 911 230 0909 :

I think I understand that Harry Blumer bought the car from Peter Zbinden to compete in the 1973 Schweizer Meisterschaft season (as I said before). I also said that Harry Blumer bought a factory 3.0L RSR for the 1974 season, but I found out that he first converted 0909 into a 3.0L RSR, before receiving his brand new RSR (chassis 911 460 9053 for those interested in 3.0L RSRs).


Here are some pictures of the car, at Hockenheim, on 31.03.1974. You can notice the different characteristic elements of the M491 option, but the door surround is chrome.


Attachment 629089
Attachment 629090
Attachment 629091
Attachment 629092
Attachment 629093

Credit picture : Christoph Blatter (thank you very much for this pictures and the next ones that will arrive here soon)

Now about 911 230 1155 :

This car was described as "no known racing history" when it was sold in 2019, I also learned that it was originally light yellow. On internet, there is the famous picture when the car was silver, when owned by Karl-Heinz Feustel (80s).

Attachment 629132

If you go back far enough on this thread, you can notice a photo of the engine, in March 1983 (911T1971 had associated it with 911 230 1417, but 1417 was yellow, and the engine bay is silver (so 1155))

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 911T1971

NOW the interesting part:
A while ago I posted infos of a yellow/grey S/T derivate.
My swiss mechanic told me always it was a "real S/T Kremer" he once owned.
I now strongly beleive this is the same car and indeed a "S/T".
Same spoiler, same details, same color scheme and the car was indeed swiss registered car.
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...sfe09d16d.jpeg
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...se1d52d10.jpeg
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/1315/dsc02104.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img100/6710/dsc02094.jpg

---

Now the interesting part, I came across these pictures a few months ago now. It comes from the same race as 0909 previously shown (31.03.1974 at Hockenheim). I've searched as best as I could for the name of the swiss driver who was driving the car (#9), but unfortunately I haven't found anything yet (I hope it won't be long). En

By cross-referencing the details between the 1980 photos and these pictures, I concluded that this yellow car is indeed 1155 (notably thanks to the M491 option present on the car, as well as the rear-view mirrors, which are identical between the photo where it is yellow, and the photo where it is silver).

Attachment 629133
Attachment 629134
(please note the single-seater that runs at the same time as the GT cars)
Attachment 629135
Attachment 629136


and the best part : 1155 on the left, 0909 on the right

Attachment 629138
Credit picture : Christoph Blatter

;D

Two ST have been converted to RSR in 1974. I take the virtual popcorn bag and wait how long it takes to identify both cars and the seller of the cars..... ;-). This will cause again a damage of about 2 Million $ to people think they are owning an original ST....

As I wrote before, all the documents shown in this thread are 30% worthless because none took care for the originality of the cars before the 80ties.

One of them you are thinking about wasn't this one was it???

Attachment 629249 :)

Or maybe this one? although i thought its competition history as a RSR in 1974 is well known (or should be if you were buyer)

Attachment 629250

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MPST

Two ST have been converted to RSR in 1974. I take the virtual popcorn bag and wait how long it takes to identify both cars and the seller of the cars..... ;-). This will cause again a damage of about 2 Million $ to people think they are owning an original ST....

As I wrote before, all the documents shown in this thread are 30% worthless because none took care for the originality of the cars before the 80ties.

---

And merry christmas to everyone, especially for the sellers :D

Don't forget MPST, lies take the elevator and truth take the stairs ;)

Attachment 629639
Attachment 629640
Attachment 629641
Attachment 629642
from Facebook

I have a complete new set of flares 4-Sale from Germany, $4K
Going in a different direction

It's Daytona 24H again this weekend !


Attachment 630584

Translation to english :

"
At 57, Sepp still drives like a young man

Munich (AZ) - He is still as enterprising as a Young man, 57-year-old Sepp Greger from Dachau. The two-time European hill climb champion will be competing in the first round of the World Championship for Brandsn the 24-hours race in Daytona Beay, in the USA on February 3rd and 4 th. He is teamed up with Munich real estate agent Kurt Hild (43) and commercial employee Dieter Schmidt (35) from Dachau. The team drives a Porsche 911 S, which has a displacement of 2.5 liters and 260 hp. Sepp Greger, who is taking part in a race in the USA for the fifth time, flew across the pond with Dieter Schmidt yesterday. Kurt Hild will follow on Wednesday.

In addition to the Munich-Dachau team, Rolf Stommelen, Erwin Kremer and Rheinhold Joest frol Germany will also be takingpart in the 24-hour race in Daytona Beach.

FULL OF OPTIMISM to America : Dieter Schmid, Sepp Greger and Kurt Hild (from left) with their Porsche 911S.
"