1973 Carrera RS Cars for Sale

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Originally Posted by OliveR

http://mailchi.mp/b30fe2a78599/eleve...-27-carrera-rs

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Does the alterations to the car add or detract from the value?
Worth more 'as is' or in the appearance/condition it left the factory?
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Eleven Cars
1973 Porsche 911 2.7L Carrera RS
VIN: 9113601347
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Grand Prix White/Black
Mileage: 50,200km
Price: "Upon Request"

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Dealer Description (Google Translation to English):

The proposed car is a 2.7RS Touring delivered new in Hamburg in the summer of 1973, in a White Grand Prix configuration, lettering and green Fuchs.

The car was restored a few years ago in bodywork and mechanics. The engine was redone in 2008 at Dino Sport and leaves near 230 cv. It is accompanied by a PTH of 2011 still valid (it will however be necessary to make some evolutions to comply in particular with regard to the safety elements: automatic fire extinguisher, harnesses, buckets).

It is mounted in a configuration of Light with macrolon windows, suppression of the rear seats, lightened hoods, suppression of the watch ...

The current owner has acquired this car in 2013 in order to use this car as it should be, on track or in rally. She participated in Snow and Ice. The car was prepared without counting, protections (Kevlar in the center and wheel arches and Alu for the front block and the crankcase) were laid in particular for this rally.

In mechanics, the car works perfectly. The engine is full at all speeds. The car starts in a quarter turn, and is very easy to take. The box was revised in 2014, a Wevo lever was installed for this occasion. Ohlins shock absorbers were installed in 2015.

We have nearly 50,000 euros of maintenance and improvement bills on this car since 2013.

The car is ready to run and was built for it. It was the subject of a report in Flat 6 of February 2017 in its rally configuration.

The car will be handed over appraised by the firm Aestime. Some parts are available (ramp of headlights, set of rims, dampers of origin, ...).

Well, this car car was already modified when bought by the current owner, so he has only made it modified a little more to suit his needs. And this car is certainly one of the last Carrera RS that is still used during rallyes.

I hope that the next owner will keep using it this way :cool:

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Originally Posted by 911MRP

1973 Porsche 911 RS Lightweight Chassis no. 9113601496

1973 PORSCHE 911 RS LIGHTWEIGHT
Registration no. RUF 245M Chassis no. 9113601496
£750,000 - 850,000
US$ 970,000 - 1,100,000
THE GOODWOOD FESTIVAL OF SPEED SALE
Collector's Motor Cars and Automobilia

Presumably by lightweight they mean M471 Sport as by #1496 it did probably didn't have lightweight panels

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/2412...ngth=10&page=1

Not mine, no affiliation.

I'll probably be at FOS

S

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Worth posting the Bonham description and a few pictures:
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The Goodwood Festival of Speed Sale - 30th of June, 2017.
1973 Porsche 911 RS Lightweight, Lot 245
UK Registration: RUF 245M
VIN: 9113601496
Engine: AT 6630771 ("Replacement")
Trans: -
Color: Grand Prix White/Black Leatherette
Mileage: 49,796 (indicated)
Auction Estimate: £750,000 - 850,000/US$960,000 - 1,100,000
Sold for: £830,300/US$1,077,568 (includes premium)

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Auction Description:

*One of only 17 right-hand drive UK-supplied cars
*In-period rally competition history
*Well documented ownership
*Restored by AFN in the late 1990s
*Engine rebuilt in 2007
*Little used and well maintained since completion

FOOTNOTES
The car offered here is one of only 17 right-hand drive Porsche 911 Carrera RS Lightweight cars supplied to the UK in 1972/73. A late example, chassis number '1496' was supplied in June 1973 to Isaac Agnew, the official Porsche dealer in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Built to UK (C16) specification and finished in Grand Prix White with Carrera logos in red and black leatherette interior, it was ordered with the options of a heated rear window, limited-slip differential, door mirror, seat belts, and a fixed spoiler with additional wing. The Porsche remained with Agnew Motors and took part in several competitions driven by David Agnew, including the Donegal International Rally in 1973.

The following year, the Carrera came to England via Bridge Street Motors, Leicester and was registered on the 1st June 1974 with the number 'RUF 245M', which it retains. Between February 1975 and September 1975 the RS competed in six rallies. The Armstrong Forest Rally and Dukeries Rally saw the car retire due to timing belt and con-rod failures respectively. This prompted an engine replacement by Porsche with engine number 'AT 6630771', believed as a gesture of good will.

In 1976, via dealer Michael Fisher, the Carrera went to marque specialists Autofarm, who flared the wheelarches and refinished it in red, the former modification being common at that time to make the car look like an RSR. Changing hands again, in 1977 the Porsche passed via dealer Brian Classic to Nigel Hume, a well-known collector and historic racer. Nigel raced the car in the 750 Motor Club's 6-hour relay in 1977. In March 1981 the RS joined the collection of Graham and Judy Nicholls, based in Edenbridge, Kent, and remained in their possession until 1998.

In the late 1990s, collector David Bennett decided to replace his 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS Touring with a Lightweight model, and commissioned AFN Heritage specialist Jeff Moyes to find him one. Jeff Moyes heard of 'RUF 245M' via a previous owner, Nigel Hume. The Porsche was being sold by Judy Nicholls together with the other cars in the collection. Following a promising inspection, the purchase was completed.

Over the following two years, a restoration to original specification was carried out by Moto Technique, overseen by Jeff Moyes of AFN. Numerous invoices in the history file document the work in detail. Parts were either refurbished or replaced by Porsche, while the bodywork was entrusted to Moto Technique - well known experts in the field - with all replacement panels supplied by AFN. Correspondence and photographs chart the progress of this work. A notable letter on file from Moto Technique head, Kevin O'Rourke, written in January 1999 following the strip-down, describes the main bodyshell as in excellent original condition, indicating that this car had had a relatively easy life.

The car was restored to its original specification, great care being taken to ensure the authenticity of all parts and finishes used, the only exception being the installation of RS Safari seats. Originally made for the 1973 works RS rally cars, these very rare seats were designed to remain comfortable and supportive over long distances and rough terrain.

The restoration was finally completed in 2000. Over the following 12 years, the car saw minimal use, covering only some 1,000 dry miles while being stored in a purpose-built heated motor house. It was fastidiously maintained during this period, returning to Porsche every year for maintenance, initially to AFN and in later years to Porsche Wilmslow. A dealer well known for its expertise with classic models, Porsche Wilmslow completely rebuilt the engine in 2007 (not done at time of restoration as it was not deemed necessary) and the associated invoice for £20,000 is on file.

In July 2012 the Carrera was purchased by its present owner and since then has been regularly serviced by BS Motorsport. Chassis number '1496' remains in excellent condition following its 1990 restoration, subsequent light road use and regular maintenance by Porsche.

The Carrera RS Lightweight is widely regarded as the finest road car produced by Porsche, and considered by many to be one of the greatest of all post-war road cars. Offered with current MoT, a V5C registration document, and the aforementioned extensive history file, '1496' represents a wonderful opportunity to acquire a rare, right-hand drive example of this ultimate 911 in generally excellent order.

Jeff Moyes - now that's a blast from the past - my original Porsche badge came from Jeff - we were at the Husbands Crawley swap meet and he just walked up and said your bloody car needs this - he was so right .... not sure if that event still happens but always a great annual event in the UK ....

On how many F40s have they worked?
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Well if owners keep bending them! Don't know how many F40 but from what I've seen when visiting there, skills span old school panel beating up to modern materials/ construction on later exotics, so that might explain their gallery and high end project portfolio covering many different exotics. There is a range of marques shown but I tend to regard them as Ferrari folks foremost.

No affiliation or work done for me personally but from what I know they're a well respected specilised outfit. They'd certainly be a place I'd shortlist if I needed major structural work on my car ...with added advantage of being close to where I live.

In addition to AC Cars in Thames Ditton, another mile or so further down the river from there is Surbiton the location of the old Cooper car works in Hollyfield Road. Sir Jack Brabham gravitated to that place and along with Cooper family proprietor John, started building Formula 1 cars there mid fifties. Also this works was the home of the famous Mini Cooper Attachment 426298

Bruce McLaren in earliest days of his Motorsport business in UK was just a mile or so from Cooper in New Malden. Wellington Crescent in this other small Kingston-upon-Thames suburb was the early location Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Limited in the sixties. The building in Wellington Crescent was a builder’s merchant premises last time I passed. McLaren lived with his mechanic Wally Willmott and Eoin Young in a semi detached house on Grayham Road, New Malden, just stone's throw away. The house was the McLaren office. Rather different to MTC in Woking Surrey today.

Lot of famous world beating Motorsport history sprouted from those few square miles so probably no surprise 'shops of this type are still around doing specialised work, including work occasionally on early Porsche such as this for sale RS plus other even rarer classics and exotica.

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Originally Posted by DOUGS73E

Worth posting the Bonham description and a few pictures:
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The following year, the Carrera came to England via Bridge Street Motors, Leicester and was registered on the 1st June 1974 with the number 'RUF 245M', which it retains. Between February 1975 and September 1975 the RS competed in six rallies. The Armstrong Forest Rally and Dukeries Rally saw the car retire due to timing belt and con-rod failures respectively. This prompted an engine replacement by Porsche with engine number 'AT 6630771', believed as a gesture of good will.

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The world's only RS with a timing belt failure! No wonder the factory replaced it out of good will.

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Originally Posted by Jules Dielen

The world's only RS with a timing belt failure! No wonder the factory replaced it out of good will.

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..no factory goodwill according to second owner who had the failure ...

"The engine did destroy itself (a con-rod failed) and was replaced by a new factory item. There was no 'goodwill' from Porsche, as the car was being used for competition."

Steve

i was more hinting towards the timing belt issue. I will verify to make sure but last time i checked a 911 engine does not have a timing belt.

Sold for £830,300 web foreign exchange says =1,081,086.05USD

While there may be limited numbers of M471 RHD 16 or 17 examples and they've for most part had a hard life ...even so this particular one wouldn't be my pick in the way it was presented today. Personal opinion but I say that because (in no particular priority order):

Third series example so no lightweight panels even from new.
Panels had been replaced in some cases according to paperwork and did not feel or sound thinner
Opening rear vent window while correct for late vin RS is not exactly lightweight either and not the Glaverbel spec rear quarter lights of the first and second series m47 also rear glass twin element, so those are not light.
Replacement lightweight carpet inside, dimply dash noticeable in area over instruments also replacement to felt trunk carpet
Rear chassis joint looked odd based on quick glance so should be investigated
Front screen initially looked like Glaverbel but closer inspection it was just a transparent plastic sticker added with Glaverbel markings -- not the original etched item apparently !Attachment 426855
These third series RS have the rippled paint under bonnet and on rear chassis legs other places so not lightweight compared to earlier examples with just regular paint finish under lid, front chassis legs and so forth -- by that stage that's how M471 was done on after the thousand or so homologation M471/472 examples completed.
Bumper to engine shut panel seemed odd but rear lid was only opened briefly do not sure what exactly caught my eye. Maybe just missing a rubber or more fundamental fit issue? These heavier lightweights of third RS series made to M471 spec usually have steel rear bumper without the TES style rubber on the chrome horn if I recall correctly ....so not sure why that glass fibre replacement version was fitted here?
Would have had a 6 15 Fuchs not space saver in steel tank
Front bumper appeared to be a replacement. Likewise rear lid was probably a replacement - not the original one from factory.
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AT engine confirmed per first owner comment above but at least the non numbers match engine is now clarified and documented "direct from horses mouth"
Safari style period seats quite nice maybe original but not the usual M471 light buckets
One post impact bumper h4 light -- parking light hole visible through lens driver's side
Cracked indicator lens front passenger side.
Rolled end not square end tip of exhaust trim
Rough finish of S calipers
BS AU plate of c16/EG car was missing from front lid shut panel behind the aluminium ID plate
Shut lines on rear lid and passenger doors were poor. Particularly: the rear fender to lid at top driver's side; the gap at top of passenger door where two chrome trims nicked /pinched Attachment 426853That is a nick in trim, not a reflection.Attachment 426870Attachment 426854
The rear wing (fender) to engine lid gap and alignment in the area behind duck-tail was odd on both sides. More so than the picture shows. Attachment 426864
Extra allen head screws on engine lid grille not type I expect to see.

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These are just things are a few things I noticed when going over it quickly with dealer friend who's client was considering putting in a bid. Didn't check for timing belts vs chains ;)

That's in addition to the vin stamp spacing and font that was commented on previously. Did see vin in metal when lid raised briefly and even spacing taken together with elongated verticals shape of some curled characters is not what I'm commonly used to seeing on 73 MY 911 generally or most other RS that I'm familiar with. That quick look at vin was not conclusive so I'm not saying it is re-stamp but with the points raised by other knowledgable folks in previous posts regarding that vin stamping it might have been worth buyer doing closer investigation of the vin stamping at seven figure dollar price point. I did take a photo of vin on Friday fairly square on but I'm limited on 10 photo count

Obviously some folks don't care about such details and that their prerogative. Presumably the buyer is aware and happy. Most could be fixed and were very apparent to someone who cared to look. It is no longer presented as a rally car so that motorsport history was largely removed during various restoration work but there are various items of this type that were not resolved in the change of use for some reason

I inspected the history file held by auction house and car had had lots of work much or which had been done late 90s including a bunch of replacement parts supplied apparently to put it back to road spec following earlier rally alterations.

One time painted black then red and had once had flares and other things racing fitted in the past. No original English Drivers supplement among papers, just photocopy. Didn't see British market English TES Carrera RS maintenance service record maroon book or Drivers' Manual either.

Rallied in Ireland with Northern Ireland plate -- licence number I didn't see mentioned in listing

Some very well heeled buyers /Int'l. Motorsport personalities in auction room today including the one who was sitting directly in front of me who certainly could have afforded this car with his several billions if he'd wanted it -- noticed he had a cheeky little bid on this RS raising his spectacles to auctioneer at one point during auction but think car eventually went to telephone buyer. Presumably it went overseas to a RHD market due to £ forex being so weak post BREXIT vote.

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