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RM | Sotheby's Auction, Battersea Evolution, London, UK
Held in partnership with the Concours of Elegance, Windsor Castle - Offered on: Wednesday, September 7, 2016
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 Lightweight, Lot 133
VIN: 9113601418
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Lt Yellow/Black
Mileage: 62,162 km (indicated)
Auction Estimate: £450,000 - £550,000/~US$600,000-$725,000
Sold for: £224,000 / ~US$333,603
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Auction Description:
- Offered from a private collection of exceptional Porsches
- One of just 200 M471 lightweight “Sport” versions
- Regularly serviced and maintained by Porsche
- Porsche Certificate of Authenticity
The lightweight RS 2.7 offered here was sold new to its first owner, Josef Pütz, in June 1973. The Porsche was then acquired by Dr Reinhard Wolfgang Jacobi on 23 August 1984. At the time, the car is noted as having been driven 38,000 kilometres. He then proceeded to restore the car, beginning in the following May of 1985. It is believed that the original engine and gearbox were replaced during restoration, as the RS currently sports an unstamped engine block and replacement transmission. Though it is unclear when the restoration was completed, Dr Jacobi reregistered the Porsche 10 years later in January 1995.
In 2000, the Carrera RS was acquired by the current owner, an avid collector of limited-production Porsches. It has since been properly maintained in his collection and regularly serviced by Porsche Zentrum Flughafen Stuttgart, receipts for which are included on file. Recently driven by an RM Sotheby’s car specialist, he notes that the Porsche drives and handles exceptionally well, as nicely as any RS 2.7 he has had the pleasure of driving.
ADDENDUM
Please note that this car is a 1973 911 Carrera RS 2.7 Lightweight, though it has been rebodied.
Last edited by DOUGS73E; 03-28-2023 at 04:07 PM. Reason: updated description - added ADDENDUM
Doug Dill
1973 911E Coupe
PCA #1987109761
Early 911S Registry #548
RM | Sotheby's Auction, Battersea Evolution, London, UK
Held in partnership with the Concours of Elegance, Windsor Castle - Offered on: Wednesday, September 7, 2016
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 Touring, Lot 152
VIN: 9113600435
Engine: 6630466
Trans: 732566
Color: White? (originally Signal Yellow/114)/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £450,000 - £550,000/~US$600,000-$725,000
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Auction Description:
- An ultra-desirable, first-series Carrera RS
- Original numbers-matching engine
- Highly optioned with a limited-slip differential, electric sunroof, sport seats, and a Blaupunkt Frankfurt radio
- Recent service by Canford Classics
This Carrera RS, chassis 0435, was one of only 12 cars delivered new to Portugal, and of those 12, the only one finished in Signal Yellow (code 5252). In January 1973, it left the factory and was clearly bought by an enthusiast, as can be seen by the great list of options chosen, including a limited-slip differential, head restraints, sport seats, a Blaupunkt Frankfurt radio, power antenna, and an electric sliding sunroof. Significantly, chassis number 0435 is an early production (first 500 cars built) homologation Carrera RS, which was manufactured from a lighter gauge sheet metal (0.8 millimetres) than the later-production series cars that were built using 0.88-millimetre thickness steel.
Although little is known of the car’s early life, it is believed to have had three owners in Portugal prior to Mr. Francisco Cruz Martins of Cascais, a well-respected and active racing driver, who owned the car in the late 2000s. Being an active driver in Portugal, Mr. Martins campaigned the car on several historic rallies throughout his ownership with the registration plate CA 74 86 and is believed to have never suffered an accident.
In 2011, the car was purchased by a resident in Southern France, where it was seldom used before passing to a respected UK-based collector in 2014. Later, the car was then sent to Autofarm for an inspection and a list of suggested works was drawn up. Unfortunately, the UK-based collector was not in a position to complete these works and sold the car. Under its new ownership, the car was delivered to UK Porsche 911 specialists Canford Classics, where it was thoroughly inspected and all suggested works, totalling £37,000, were completed. A copy of the detailed invoice is within the car’s history file. Works included a new flywheel and clutch, replacement of all suspension bushes and bearings, and a completely new interior.
Doug Dill
1973 911E Coupe
PCA #1987109761
Early 911S Registry #548
Has the front clip of the RSL 1418 been replaced? Steal tank, later space saver and alu vin plate not original...250km/hr speedo and plastic oil tank lid weird as well. No mention why the engine and gear box were replaced either.
Cees
The M471 Carrera RS Sport's yellow oil filler lid probably signifies a later oil tank replacement and workshop not bothering to modify the later filler to the correct looking earlier style. That style seems to be what Porsche supply and diligent shops do modify the neck or maybe source one nos.
Also to my eyes paint colour match seems very poor in some shots. Might go along to auction or preview as not far from here.
Doubt option M462 Carrera RS black side script lettering was original factory option on this chassis as no options shown for in reference books or other factory sources.
Much is being made in description of "lightweight" by using it in banner heading of listing and discussing extensively lightweight panels in the auction write which is ironic because a third series car with this late chassis number 1418 from June of 1973 would probably not have had (m)any of the RS lighter thinner gauge panels that had by then runnout -- instead probably had regular steel.
Compounded by the inconsistency of 0.7 vs 0.8 thickness comments between their own two listings then this: "Most of this second series was comprised of Touring versions (option code M472), which used standard-thickness sheet metal and glass, a steel rear bumper, a single battery, and most of the 911 S’s road equipment and comfort trim items." In many ways an incorrect statement that apparantly suggests the M471 car for sale that almost certainly no thinner panels is a lightweight and those second from second series that the Stuttgart scales certifiably demonstrated did have lighter body shells are not lightweight. If I were a second series M472 card owner misrepresented to incorrectly infer this M471 bodyshell is superior, I would be irritated.
May be difficult for auction houses to know every detail of every car whereas enthusiasts are often focussed on a marque or model. However if an auction house write up is drawing buyer's attention to and inferring a feature that is somehow distinctive thing about model / better (in this case the lightweight body panels) then they ought to get that detail right about the particular car. This listing from a well known auction house is an example if how misunderstandings about important value affecting details get spread about certain models and it confuses buyers as well as some others.
Presumably at new this example would have had the other M471 late-series example "features" that differ from the M471 among the first 1000 or so homologation examples that were weighed and certified.
As an M471 --correctly/ accurately--- it should be termed a Carrera RS Sport?
At least the auction house does actually use the correct terminology Sport later in listing. As Jeff pointed out in this previous post (# 1005) if that the very loose RS "lightweight" moniker then gets shortened to RSL, even more confusion.
I've noticed the auction house preamble about the model is where things stated are incorrect, rather than the example for sale bring incorrectly described. It kind of alludes that this particular example has a lightweight shell.Originally Posted by mobius911
On the day when many British 16 year olds school kids get their summer exam results I would not mark this auction house's attempt very highly for getting all their facts correct. Haven't counted them, but clearly number of errors in their listing text below:
"210 bhp, 2,687 cc SOHC air-cooled horizontally opposed six-cylinder engine with Bosch mechanical fuel injection, five-speed manual transmission, independent front suspension with McPherson struts, torsion bars, and anti-roll bar; independent rear suspension with transverse torsion bars, tubular shock absorbers, and anti-roll bar; and four-wheel disc brakes. Wheelbase: 2,272 mm
In the words of former factory driver Jürgen Barth, “The Carrera RS 2.7 is the basis for Porsche motorsport in the 1970s.”
On the heels of Porsche’s resounding success with its incredibly powerful 917 in prototype racing, the FIA decided to limit engines for the World Championship of Makes to more than three litres of displacement. Porsche management needed a new weapon to be drawn from its production lines, one that would not only help the public identify more closely with racing 911s, but also help recoup some of the stratospheric expenditures of the 917 program. Creating a small series of 911-based racers for the new European Group 5 Special Grand Touring category for three-litre cars was the agreed-upon goal. A minimum of 500 examples of Group 4 road-legal cars would have to be built in one year to meet regulations.
There would be an aluminium front subframe for the competition model, and the body shell would be stamped from steel only 0.7 millimetres thick, rather than the standard 1.0-millimetre production material. Thinner, lighter, and very expensive side and rear window glass was ordered from Belgian firm Glaverbel, and the engine and front lids were made of thin, balsa-reinforced fibreglass. Both the front and rear bumpers were also of fibreglass, with the front providing access to a centrally mounted auxiliary oil radiator. The rear fenders were widened to accommodate new 7-inch-wide Fuchs alloy rims.
The most important and recognisable characteristic of the RS is its “ducktail” spoiler mounted on the engine lid. Body insulation was deleted, as was almost all interior trim. Superfluous hardware was eliminated, including rear seats, reclining front seats, a glovebox door, a clock, the passenger sun visor, the inside door handles, and armrests. The door latches were operated by pull-straps, and simple plastic door-pulls replaced the originals. All of this careful attention to saving weight trimmed the dry weight to a mere 2,150 pounds (975 kilograms).
The 911’s magnesium-cased 2.4-litre S engine was enlarged to give a displacement of 2,681 cubic centimetres (Type 911/83). Its thin-walled cylinder barrels were coated with a new product called Nikasil, which was a low-friction nickel-silicon carbide material that allowed the aluminium pistons to be used directly in aluminium barrels without the need for iron liners. With 8.5:1 compression and Bosch mechanical fuel injection, this engine delivered a reliable 210 brake horsepower at 6,300 rpm, which was some 30 more than the 911 S, and it also saw a big increase in torque to 202 foot-pounds at 5,100 rpm. The 911’s five-speed transaxle was fitted with taller fourth and fifth gears, giving a top speed of about 150 mph (244 km/h).
By the time the car was formally introduced at the 1972 Paris Auto Show, the initial production run of 500 units had already sold out within a week, to the surprise and delight of Porsche’s directors. A second 500-unit production run was quickly approved, and eventually 1,080 were constructed. Most of this second series was comprised of Touring versions (option code M472), which used standard-thickness sheet metal and glass, a steel rear bumper, a single battery, and most of the 911 S’s road equipment and comfort trim items."
Last edited by 911MRP; 08-26-2016 at 01:17 AM.
911MRP: Regarding the creative interpretations of Homologation... Back when the RS was an Enthusiast's car and not a Collector-Investor car [I must include the word "Investor" to place this in proper context] no one made such silly claims. Now that they might get a few more thousand out of them or claim this makes "Just another RS" into something particularly special. Regardless, don't waste your time about it as it is at best someone's personal ego trip and at worst, an attempt to increase value.
And 911 360 1035: Wasn't there a day when we believed that it was the very last RS with all lightweight panels? I remember it being sold about a decade ago and not the slightest mention at that time. Of course, thanks to gents on this site we have realized that they didn't run out until much later.
Reference for a sale from 2016. Looks like this car sold for just under $300K at that time.
https://www.classic.com/veh/1973-por...13601-Wjk27jp/
Peter Kane
'72 911S Targa
Message Board Co-Moderator - Early 911S Registry #100
Unstamped engine block, replacement transmission and it has been rebodied.
Not what I’m looking for, but reminds me of a North American P-51D I was looking to buy in late 90’s. It was a project to be done by the top builders in the business. Replaced or remanufactured everything. $750k which was “all the money” back then. The only thing I insisted on was a traceable data plate so I could consider it a “real” P-51. Aparantly, no data plate available, so no deal. Psychological, I suppose, but it meant everything to me at the time.
Bill
1969 911T - sold
2001 911 Turbo - sold
1996 911 C4S - returned
1982 911SC - gone
1960 356 Roadster - sold
Engine fan housing strap installed 180 degrees from normal.
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Eleven Cars, Paris, France
1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Touring
VIN: 9113601179
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Light Yellow/Black Leatherette
Mileage: 94,762 km (indicated)
Price: €540,000/~US$585,588
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Dealer Description:
- Fully documented restoration from 2006 - 2008
- Delivered new in Germany!
- In very good condition!
This car was delivered new in Germany in May 1973, in a yellow (Hellgelb) interior with velvet sport seats and Touring pack. This car spent most of its life in Germany, it participated in various races in the 70’s and 80’s, in the last decade in G type configuration. A complete restoration of the car from the chassis was done between 2006 and 2008, the car is back to its original configuration of 2.7 RS. the restoration is fully documented.
This 2,7RS has been appraised in detail by one of the best connoisseurs of this model, the numbers have been X-rayed and are conform. The report is of course available. The engine block is at the right number but is an AT block, i.e. a standard exchange block, exchange made at Porsche. All details of a 2,7 RS are present and conform.
This car is in very good condition. The paint is of very good quality, the alignments are excellent. The interior is in perfect condition, the seats are the original Recaro sports seats. Mechanically it works perfectly, the car has always been very well followed and has just had a very big revision at a recognized specialist in Belgium (911 Motorsport), revision of an amount of pros 20 000 euros with all the engine sealing, a new exhaust, clutch, flywheel
It is visible on appointment in our premises.
Doug Dill
1973 911E Coupe
PCA #1987109761
Early 911S Registry #548
Roock Sportsystem, Leverkusen, Germany
1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Touring
VIN: -
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Emerald (Viper) Green/Black Leatherette
Mileage: -
Price: "Price on Request"
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Dealer Description:
Originalfahrzeug (Original Vehicle).
Last edited by DOUGS73E; 03-29-2023 at 05:04 PM.
Doug Dill
1973 911E Coupe
PCA #1987109761
Early 911S Registry #548
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