Reintroducing a storied car to the Early 911S Registry...

So how intense can the interest be in the early cars? Can it border on obsession? What would a car that was religiously and fanatically maintained over 42 years look like these days? Allow me to introduce my 1969 S, one owner (I am the second as of two days), numbers matching car that retains all of its original factory and dealer installed options, is documented in every aspect, and at one point in its life received an AACA Senior Grand National First, the first and only Porsche (at the time, not sure now) to receive this honor.

Is this early S community even aware of this car? Yes, if you were around in 2001 for Volume 11, Number 1 of Esses Magazine as it was the cover story. But what has happened to it since? Who owned this car and what made him so special? Who in the early 1980s would scan dealer inventories across the country (via phone folks, it was the early 80s) and locate the last remaining nine liters of original 68-802-G Polo Rot Glasurit enamel for its (still beautiful) respray? Who had a personal shop stocked with NOS (some NLA) parts that rivals many professional shops? How did I end up with this car?

As you will see, the story around this car is as much about the person who owned it as it is the car.

In the spirit of many introductory posts of late on this board, I plan on discussing these topics and more. As I enter the rabbit hole, I will share what I find.
I have attached a few pictures to whet the appetite. I hope you enjoy this thread as much as I have enjoyed reading other folks' odysseys into longhood ownership.

Needless to say, maybe a new Esses article may be required to do this justice!

The story will continue...

A few more pictures... rear decklid and original unused XWX spare on untouched Deep Six. and bedtime

As the Kinks sang around this time, "You really got me!" Thanks.

-Allen-

PS VIN please?

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Originally Posted by Dr 911E

PS VIN please?

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VIN - 119300761
Engine - 6391086
Trans - 7194389

"Bloody" beautiful! Looking forward to the story to unravel.

Yowza!, and congratulations on becoming the caretaker of such a beautiful car.

Great find-- are you going to drive it on the street or just the lawn? Chris

Just pulled that issue and reread the story, verrrry good! That car and owner did quite a lot together!

I want to see the dashboard switch setup.... horn grill driving lights, below bumper fogs, and a rear wiper.... hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Soterik

I want to see the dashboard switch setup.... horn grill driving lights, below bumper fogs, and a rear wiper.... hmmm...

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My thoughts exactly.

Here's my theory: vertical push/pull under the speedo/clock for the rear wiper; one fog light switch in the stock spot with the rear defrost and cig lighter; plain black push/pull (or additional fog light knob) for the driving lights behind the wiper stalk next to the fresh air control

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Great find-- are you going to drive it on the street or just the lawn? Chris

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It will absolutely be driven. Needs some basic servicing at this point... It has logged less than 2000 miles over the last 20 years, primarily on and off of trailers for concours.

I plan to bridge the gap between showable, driven patina originality and enjoying this car for what it is on the road.

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Originally Posted by Mr9146

My thoughts exactly.

Here's my theory: vertical push/pull under the speedo/clock for the rear wiper; one fog light switch in the stock spot with the rear defrost and cig lighter; plain black push/pull (or additional fog light knob) for the driving lights behind the wiper stalk next to the fresh air control

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So:
-The rear wiper switch is in fact a vertical push pull below the oil gauges (seen in pic below).
-The Hella 169 fogs below the bumper are to the left of the vent controls in standard push pull with fog light icon on knob (can't see in below pic)
-The above bumper driving lights are off a standard push pull with a different icon on knob, located above the volume control for the radio (seen in below pic)
-The rear fog light works off of the same switch as the below the bumper amber 169s. Once pulled on for front fogs, a quarter turn of the pulled switch turns on the rear

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Originally Posted by Soterik

I want to see the dashboard switch setup.... horn grill driving lights, below bumper fogs, and a rear wiper.... hmmm...

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....and a rear fog too. I can't wait to see the COA with all those options called out, not to mention the invoice. Very cool....

Perhaps someone could scan and post the article here? Thanks.

-Allen-

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....and a rear fog too. I can't wait to see the COA with all those options called out, not to mention the invoice. Very cool....

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Maybe some (of the lights) were added by the original owner? Thanks.

-Allen-

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I want to see the dashboard switch setup.... horn grill driving lights, below bumper fogs, and a rear wiper.... hmmm...

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Kinda reminds me of OUR old Polo Red '69S.....:)

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Maybe some (of the lights) were added by the original owner? Thanks.

-Allen-

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The rabbit hole calleth but I don't have the time at the moment!

In short, dealer installed accessories added at delivery and thoroughly documented included Hellas below the front bumper and rear fog light, amongst other goodies. I will post it all when I have a chance.

Looking forward to your experience as I also am re-awakening a 1969 911T Coupe that has been with the original owner until last Friday when I took possesion. I know exactly how you feel.

WOW ! Can you post more photos of the side view, I would like the see the side PORSCHE decals with the rocker trims in different view !

Thanks for sharing this awesome piece of history,
JD

Fabulous! More please.:)

Does this beauty have a name from the OO? Sure seems like a 'name worthy' 911 to me.

beh,

Great find! What exactly is the little orange card I've circled the picture below?

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beh,

Great find! What exactly is the little orange card I've circled the picture below?

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I've been waiting for a comment on this one as it is one of the more interesting things I have found in all the automobilia that has come with the car. Here's where I think it came from:

1969 was the first year for MFI and there were reports from customers of difficulties starting these cars. I imagine this was hanging from the turn signal stalk or some other appendage (key ring?) upon delivery.

Can someone else confirm this as the story for origination of this little piece?

Yes, this is the sort of stuff that came with the car. Nothing was thrown away.:)

I have all sorts of NOS parts (original cardboard door pockets, S calipers, seals, washers, luggage straps, etc, all bagged, boxed, and part numbered)... I will cover this attention to detail when I do an entry on the original owner. He was truly an 'original' owner!

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Fabulous! More please.:)

Does this beauty have a name from the OO? Sure seems like a 'name worthy' 911 to me.

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No name from the original owner as far I know. I do have one in waiting if I go the naming route!

Way cool!!!

Wonderful brochure, Have never seen it before! Carl....you know what is needed here....OBP, OBP, OBP

Hi Carl,

Wonderful find! Congratulations.
I am 2nd owner of a '69T, and also have all the little paper goodies, window sticker, etc.
Detail question....in one of your shots gas tank looks to be smooth semi-gloss grey.
Do you know if that is a replacement or refinished tank??
My tank is ripply undercoated and black.....undercoating is the "plastic" they started on the bottoms in '69 and appears original.
I owned an original '70T that had a grey and ripply tank, which back in the day we all painted black!
I have seen other '69s with black undercoated tanks and '70s with grey undercoated tanks.
Just from poking around on other '69s the factory did a lot of black touch up as they did with 356s, but they did less by even 1970.
It's the smooth finish really not the color that prompted my question....I'm guessing replacement/refinish.

What do you know? What do you think?

Mark

Geez... Where to start. Well how about a sampling of the parts treasure trove via pics. This will give you an idea of this car's lovely baggage.
Pics include:

- S Clutch replacement parts (hen's teeth, right?)
- Koni shock decals (something tells me these are difficult to find)
- Filters, filters, filters. And superseded Platinum plugs...
- Never used front spoiler cut outs for fog lights in mint condition
- Cork (yes) gasket kits. The car was sealed rather well with them when I bought it if you can believe it :)



This should give you an idea of what I am up against...

More details via pics for the aficionados or crazies as my wife likes to call us.

- The original bulb kit
- The original orange bar crest
- '2.0' decklid badge... I've never seen one of these before!
- Selling dealership's license plate bracket + interesting '911 S' deco plate. (Any ideas on the latter?)

The madness has begun!

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More details via pics for the aficionados or crazies as my wife likes to call us.

- '2.0' decklid badge... I've never seen one of these before!
- Selling dealership's license plate bracket + interesting '911 S' deco plate. (Any ideas on the latter?)

The madness has begun!

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Do you think the 2.0 badge is from a 914?

The 911S plate would have been on the car when it was new on the showroom floor. A great item to have for concours.

I have a friend in NC who has a maroon cardboard plate for a 912.

- Dealer Installed Accessories (closeup). Everything is still on the car. The rear Hella fog is very cool with great hardware and shape to it. I had only seen the 'newer' style ones on the later cars.
- Window sticker (closeup). No mention of the 'Loudspeaker' on the Window Sticker, but it's on the COA.
- COA. The more I compare this doc to the window sticker, the more I realize how much of a crap shoot the whole COA research process seems to be. This COA shows the 'Rear Crash Bar' option which was never on the car. The window sticker accurately calls out the 'Porsche side lettering and Strip'. The COA calls out 'Tinted Glass', while the window sticker calls out the three different options of tinted glass on the car (correctly, front, side, and rear).

I imagine the lack of accuracy and thoroughness may have something to do with the original owner's back and forth correspondence with PCNA imploring them to get it right (yes I have all the letters... pretty cool). I have a COA from an SC that I had at the same time (late '95) and it was very accurate. I have seen many posts on the forum lately lamenting the lack of detail on the ones PCNA is churning out these days.

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Hi Carl,

Wonderful find! Congratulations.
I am 2nd owner of a '69T, and also have all the little paper goodies, window sticker, etc.
Detail question....in one of your shots gas tank looks to be smooth semi-gloss grey.
Do you know if that is a replacement or refinished tank??
My tank is ripply undercoated and black.....undercoating is the "plastic" they started on the bottoms in '69 and appears original.
I owned an original '70T that had a grey and ripply tank, which back in the day we all painted black!
I have seen other '69s with black undercoated tanks and '70s with grey undercoated tanks.
Just from poking around on other '69s the factory did a lot of black touch up as they did with 356s, but they did less by even 1970.
It's the smooth finish really not the color that prompted my question....I'm guessing replacement/refinish.

What do you know? What do you think?

Mark

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Hey Mark,

I'm beh911 (the owner). Carl has been replying to some of my crazy posts . The fuel tank is original but has definitely been redone in its past. I think ~1980. Knowing the previous owner, he would have kept the original finish but I don't know for certain what came from the factory. When I get the car back from some servicing, I will get some close ups of the tank for you.

The last photo montage for the day:

- Blaupunkt radio docs
- Hirschmann antenna keys. Cool detail
- Maintenance record stamps - Note it is CURRENT and often times at his own 'over serviced' intervals via the stickers...:)

That's all for today. I need a break from my hobby!

Carl,

The. 2.0 thing is a much later 914 piece. Owner probably bought it thinking it was cool and thought he might do "something" with it. Over 40 years I've squirreled away bits that seemed to have some yet unknown potential!
Mark

You have a PM.

Can that brochure about cold starting for mfi cars be right? 4,500 rpm for a cold engine?

That is what my manual says, but I only do 2K.

I hope you've purged the silicone brake fluid from the lines. That is really terrible stuff.

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I hope you've purged the silicone brake fluid from the lines. That is really terrible stuff.

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Very observant of you. It was the first thing to go. ATE Super Blue now. The spare parts smorgasbord included a second set of S calipers and pads :). The entire system has just been rebuilt and cleaned.

That is my one difference in opinion with the OO - that fluid had it's limelight a while back but Porsche never recommended it.

Yes, I used it on an old seldom used car thinking it would be more stable. Very spongy pedal and since it doesn't absorb water, the humidity ended up condensing in the Master cylinders and calipers and causing rust.
Your car was quite a find congratulations it is a jewel.

beh911,
I would like to talk to you about doing an article on your car for ESSES Magazine.Give me a call at 714-235-4981 PDT or send my our number to johndilger@aol.com and I will call you. I took the photos of your car for the orginal article.

John Dilger
ESSES Magazine
Early 911S Registry

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beh911,
I would like to talk to you about doing an article on your car for ESSES Magazine.Give me a call at 714-235-4981 PDT or send my our number to johndilger@aol.com and I will call you. I took the photos of your car for the orginal article.

John Dilger
ESSES Magazine
Early 911S Registry

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You have a PM.

Fantastic car Bryce and great story! I enjoyed hearing about it today and cant wait to see it. Craig

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Fantastic car Bryce and great story! I enjoyed hearing about it today and cant wait to see it. Craig

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Thanks Craig. A trip up 85 to the Mitty seemed a bit much for its maiden voyage in my hands. The HSRs in October are a definite. Great meeting you and Farrell and your Turn 10a crew!

Great seeing you and the car today.

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Great seeing you and the car today.

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Likewise, Mark. We shall keep in touch for sure.

It's been awhile since my initial flurry of posts about my car. I've had a good month and a half to get used to it, put it back on the road, and get to researching the treasure trove of information that came with it.

It's an absolute joy to drive. I am slowly building a short list of things that are starting to crop up as it settles into more road duty. All systems though are fully functioning, with the exception of the original clock, which may be disconnected due to the car's heavy storage time. I realize the original movement rarely lasted long and many have been converted to quartz. I'll dig around behind the dash with my 3 elbows this coming weekend to see what's up...

In the past 1 1/2 months, I've officially driven the car more than it had been the previous 11 years... 320 miles.

The below pic includes the results of my research on options that are on the car. The red 0's refer to options ordered and confirmed by the factory, but then never making it onto the car. The documentation of all of this is fascinating. I'll post a snap shot of the VWoA letter from 1970 explaining the 'oversight'.

One question about the 'loudspeaker' being called out as an option--does someone know why this was a separate option from the stereo options? I am assuming it is referring to the 'in the dash cover' speaker, but would it have been yet another one somewhere else in the cabin? Just curious, as it's moot due to a misquoted CoA anyway.

Many of the dealer installed options were purchased overseas in the OO's travels and brought home for installation because VWoA (later Porsche-Audi) refused to order the parts for him--a sidebar set of stories that are equally intriguing.

My goal is to get a write up done for Esses Magazine turned around this week. Gotta leave something for the paying members ! :)

Best,
- Bryce

Here's one of the myriad responses to the OO's persistent inquiries into his car's specifics. I lifted it from another thread I started (1969 Factory Installed Accessories brochure) for sake of centralization.

Lots of onion skin papered letters from the factory as well in my files--he even asked for the original bench tests of the engine upon build, but was denied ('we no longer have that information available'). Somewhere I think I've seen a picture of the ledger for recording test results in the engine test room at the factory. Very cool stuff, but I digress.

Recently I was put in touch with someone who was the Parts Manager at the selling dealership when the OO purchased the car... they remained friends all these years! I hope to get his perspective on all of this.

The journey continues...

Cover letter for Kardex on Porsche AG letterhead, circa November 1978.

Kardex itself looks to be an original factory printout.

Very nice car indeed with fantastic documentation. Congratulations!

I (too?) pulled the (most likely crappy) dealer installed air from my '72S. Other than the hacked-up smugglers box, it was hard to detect that it ever existed. Unlike the quality true-factory air (even on '68 I once had), dealer installed air or port of entry installed..well..never saw a nice one! Thanks.

-Allen-

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Very nice car indeed with fantastic documentation. Congratulations!

I (too?) pulled the (most likely crappy) dealer installed air from my '72S. Other than the hacked-up smugglers box, it was hard to detect that it ever existed. Unlike the quality true-factory air (even on '68 I once had), dealer installed air or port of entry installed..well..never saw a nice one! Thanks.

-Allen-

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Yes, the air was pulled in the late 70s and never re-installed. I have the parts though. In fact, the OO went through two different systems before giving up on it's usefulness. Dealer installed versions definitely tended to cut up the car in places, but it's all sealed up (and documented) on mine.

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Perhaps someone could scan and post the article here? Thanks.

-Allen-

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I scanned it but will wait for a nod from John Dilger as to whether I can post it on the forum.

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WOW ! Can you post more photos of the side view, I would like the see the side PORSCHE decals with the rocker trims in different view !

Thanks for sharing this awesome piece of history,
JD

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Sorry, just getting around to answering some of these posts.

Heat wave tolerance allowing, I plan on getting the paint to pop this weekend. EVERYTHING shows up with no clear coat, so a proper cleaning (still have yet to wash it) and multi-staged elbow work on the paint should do some wonders.

Hopefully, at that point I'll take some photos and send them along with the write up for Esses.

Stay tuned

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Hey Mark,

I'm beh911 (the owner). Carl has been replying to some of my crazy posts . The fuel tank is original but has definitely been redone in its past. I think ~1980. Knowing the previous owner, he would have kept the original finish but I don't know for certain what came from the factory. When I get the car back from some servicing, I will get some close ups of the tank for you.

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An update: the tank is entirely gray with a krinkle finish similar to what you describe. I believe this to be how they came from the factory but haven't seen enough of them up close to confirm.

Thanks for the aditionnal pics !

JD

Sir, that is a gem of car....Congrats!

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I've been waiting for a comment on this one as it is one of the more interesting things I have found in all the automobilia that has come with the car. Here's where I think it came from:

1969 was the first year for MFI and there were reports from customers of difficulties starting these cars. I imagine this was hanging from the turn signal stalk or some other appendage (key ring?) upon delivery.

Can someone else confirm this as the story for origination of this little piece?

Yes, this is the sort of stuff that came with the car. Nothing was thrown away.:)

I have all sorts of NOS parts (original cardboard door pockets, S calipers, seals, washers, luggage straps, etc, all bagged, boxed, and part numbered)... I will cover this attention to detail when I do an entry on the original owner. He was truly an 'original' owner!

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I have one of those with my 69S paperwork

Wow that's beautiful it's great to see an early S that was enjoyed and maintained to this level...

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I have one of those with my 69S paperwork

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Clyde,

Yours is the only other one that has come forward to date. I've even checked with Porsche Archives in Germany, and the person I emailed with says it is new to him as well.

If you have any idea of what cars it came with (69 only?) or how it was placed in the car/paperwork upon delivery, please share.

BTW, A sincere thank you for all the compliments and congratulations throughout the post. This community makes ownership all the more enjoyable.

Cheers

Thought I would resurrect my intro thread with this.

Looking for some opinions on age of the spare tire in my car. It is a very old XWX, just not sure how old.

Can anyone decipher these tire markings into a date of manufacture? I haven't had any luck in my research.

It goes without saying this exact wheel/tire combo won't ever see any road time, but it is cool looking...

Here's a link to an article at Tire Rack on the date codes. Based on that, the last 3 digits of the DOT code stand for the manufacture date, in this case 183. That decodes to the 18th week of the 3rd year of the decade (which decade is not coded). So, unlikely it is the original spare.

Thanks for that link. So mid May '73 or '83 date of manufacture.

I believe it is May 1973, as I have a receipt from early '74 for mounting a new tire on the spare.

So it looks like the tire is 38 years old...

So I'm a bit bored. Bored with the McQueen car selling at an astronomical price and what that says for other cars or the price of wheat or the overall state of the world.

I am also finding the mid August summer doldrums tedious as my car's A/C is inadequate to fight the heat and humidity (see my A/C in pic #4 below). Looking forward to the fall, when weather cools and leaves turn and drives are more enjoyable. I'm also making it out to RRIV, spending a week on the Monterey Peninsula with the fam.

Some random shots of the car follow, showing stuff that makes it interesting and somewhat unique.

1. The not available from the factory combo of above and below the bumper supplemental lights. In this case the Hella 118 driving lights and amber 169 fogs. I think you could only order a car with one or the other. The amber fogs were not allowed in the U.S. at the time, but that didn't stop the original owner from ordering a set from a dealer in Germany a couple months after delivery--contraband, basically.

Also, note the H1 lens light pattern. This is not what you typically see (go look at yours). These were purchased in September 69 in Germany and brought to the U.S. by the original owner. More contraband. I've only seen one other, and I bought it from Cliff (see this post: http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...?61656-H1-lens). Maybe it's a Euro thing, I dunno.

2. With the car sitting in the garage half covered, my weak attempt at an 'art shot'

3. Rear tow hook. I haven't seen too many of these. In the background are magnesium exhaust valve covers, and yes, they leak, despite attempts to true them :) I need to replace with the 930 style covers, but these old ones look so cool despite their determination to make a Rorschach test out of my garage floor. Also in this shot are the old fittings on the tank to cooler lines. Replacement lines don't use these anymore.

4. My A/C unit... I love seeing these windows open on 911s. Good eye if you notice the stroller and lawn mower (unworthy stable mates for sure) reflecting in the curves of the rear fender.

5. Rear fog light. The early ones are very cool little pieces. A few different lenses were made for them, but the housings and brackets were the same. The heavy gauge metal, grommet, and thick flat head screws all speak to the typically overbuilt German engineering of the time.

Here's to cooler weather!

This weekend was the Fall HSR event at Road Atlanta. I ran up to the track on Saturday. What started out as borderline cold and cloudy turned into a t shirt and sunburn afternoon. First time testing the heat in the car. I would guess there were less than 1000 spectators in total, far smaller crowd than the Walter Mitty in the spring and the 125,000 plus that will be at the track in a couple weeks for the Petit Le Mans. Maybe a sign of the times or maybe folks are saving up their energy or ca$h for the Petit...

The car ran flawlessly on the trip, it's first highway cruise since I've owned it.

I am reminded as I post these pics that back in 70 and 71, Captain Mike, my car's original owner, took the car to Sebring and Watkins Glen from his home in Raleigh, NC to enjoy the machinery of the day. Of course, it's the same stuff we worship now at the vintage events. It felt good reconnecting the car to its past and my old friend, who would have celebrated his 66th birthday this week.

1. Cool detail shot as I got out of the car in the paddock. Beautiful company for sure. Parking courtesy of a fellow S Reg member...
2. In the paddock among some beautiful 2.0 liter pieces. Light ivory delight!
3. Spectator Hill - Looking out over the famous esses into Turn Five, which is a difficult to master uphill off camber bit. This hill will be a mob scene in a few weeks.
4. Just the car
5. The famous bridge turn, turn 11. Before 1998, the right inside wall of bridge was the apex for turn 11... obviously wasn't going to fly going forward as the track sought to get the ACO support for the Petit concept, ALMS series and potentially other bigger name events. The winter of 97-98 brought on a rework of Turn 10 (the dip) into the current day 10a/b complex. I've driven the track in both configurations. The 10a/b definitely slows things down, but it also suddenly made Road Atlanta a track that was hard on brakes, chopping up the flow of a very fast and hilly circuit.

BTW, the gravel pit above the car in the background is where the leading BMW prototype ended up on the penultimate lap of the 2nd annual Petit back in 99. I was parked in exactly the same spot back then (in a different 911) as in this picture. The second place Panoz took the lead with 2 minutes to go and won this incredible event on their home track.

When I pulled into my garage last night, the trip odometer showed the miles I have put on the car since purchase -- 901. Fitting indeed!

I dig that shot from the back of your car over looking the track. Very cool!

BEAUTIFUL MACHINE! Never saw that brochure for the MFI before. Really cool!

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BEAUTIFUL MACHINE! Never saw that brochure for the MFI before. Really cool!

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Thanks! I've corresponded with the Porsche archives in Stuttgart and my contact had never seen one before. I'd have to go there in person to research the brochure's scope further...

Searching around on old S Reg threads brings up the darnedest things... Just came across this thread from '09:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...uto-Show-in-NC

This is my car, parked next to the '50 F1 pickup of Captain Mike (now sold). When restoring the F1, he found a crated zero mile correct engine for it.

This was the last time he had the Porsche out in public before selling it to me.

Regarding your rear fog light, does it have a separate switch or is it triggered with the front fogs? Can you post a picture of the switch(es)?

HI
Your car looks very nice indeed, you must be very pleased with it. I have just found some new old stock fog lamps with yellow bulbs just like yours should look cool once fitted.

Just looking at your photos, it looks like your wiper arms have been put on the wrong way round (quite a common mistake), the one with the bent arm should be on the other side, that way they will park better and look neater.

Correct
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...y/P1010133.jpg

Incorrect
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ans/CLM085.jpg



Kind Regards

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Regarding your rear fog light, does it have a separate switch or is it triggered with the front fogs? Can you post a picture of the switch(es)?

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Rear fog works off of the fog light switch for front lights. The switch itself works this way: pulling out the knob to full stop activates the front fogs only. Then, turning 1/4 turn at full stop turns on the rear. On my car, the switch is centered between the fresh air controls and the steering column. A quick look at the Porsche PET would give the part number for the switch.
Bryce

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HI
Your car looks very nice indeed, you must be very pleased with it. I have just found some new old stock fog lamps with yellow bulbs just like yours should look cool once fitted.

Just looking at your photos, it looks like your wiper arms have been put on the wrong way round (quite a common mistake), the one with the bent arm should be on the other side, that way they will park better and look neater.



Kind Regards

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You are correct, they were at one point in some of the photos. I have since swapped them over. Very good eye!

Attachment 198595Attachment 198597Regarding your original spare, I have a '71 Targa that came with the original spare tire on a deep 6, tire is a Veith-Pirelli made in Germany. Tire was mounted maybe once or twice on the car. What are you doing with your spare and what will go in its place? Thanks

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Regarding your original spare, I have a '71 Targa that came with the original spare tire on a deep 6, tire is a Veith-Pirelli made in Germany. Tire was mounted maybe once or twice on the car. What are you doing with your spare and what will go in its place? Thanks

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Mike,

On my list is to find another loose Deep Six, in any condition appearance wise but still usable, mount a modern tire on it, and put it in the car in the off chance of actually having to use it.

The current spare tire/wheel is more museum artifact and for show. I plan to take it out and keep it for concours.

Your spare tire/wheel combo looks like it's worth preserving in a similar way.


Bryce

I haven't seen too many of these, but I've seen enough to know that the VIN sticker in mine is the only one I have seen to date.

Can anyone shed any light on when these stickers were offered, and if this in fact where it is supposed to be?

I obviously have no frame of reference...

Thanks for all the public and private messages about the ESSES article, very much appreciated. It was a pleasure to research and write about my car.

Over the holidays, I visited with Captain Mike's wife Jean, which included a snoop around her attic. There I found the original Amco crash bars he put on the car in 71, the dealer installed at delivery A/C, as well as the original 69 year only dash and speaker grill. Remember, nothing was ever thrown away...

I was so happy to have Jean scan some pictures of the car from the early days of Mike's ownership. Here are a few from its early years.

1. Front view, circa 1971. He had put Amco bars front and back, and added Talbot mirrors at that point.
2. On the back straight at Virginia International Raceway, circa 1970. VIR was basically cut through a cow pasture by a group of car enthusiasts. It died out and was resurrected in the past decade to what we know it today.
3. The car is brand new, summer 1969. Love the look on his face!
4. Somewhat personal but has been published in the past by them. Car was honeymoon chariot in 1975.

I wish there were some from his road trips to Sebring and Watkins Glen as he was an avid racing enthusiast. Maybe she'll dig them up eventually.

Heirloom quality archives to be sure........

I have to admit getting a little knot in my throat as I looked over your photos and re-read your story from beginning to end again.

This is a car that obviously meant more than just an enthusiasts dream. It became a significant portion of his life and was there in good times and in bad.......always just a drive away from another good memory to be made, to now be shared.

Truly awesome car.........good on you for becoming the deserving owner to carry the torch high.

Thanks for the nice note, mrgreenjeans (great handle btw!).

One last historic shot:

Date: July 15, 2000
Event: AACA Grand National Meet
Significance: First Porsche (and only to date based on my research) to win the Senior Grand National First award

Great shot of Mike with his 'still plays with cars' t-shirt!

This photo was also the cover of the Winter 2001 issue of ESSES.

I also went to the last article of you and your new friend in our magazine.....ESSES, and re-read the entire issue from front to back. I do this alot between issues.

I have to say, that knot returned as I looked over the photos and thought about a guy and his life well spent on a love affair with his sports car.
Not just any sports car, but a true thoroughbred sports car that can become one with a person's own soul.
His personna.
That bond becomes more than just a thing to notice. It is something ethereal. Like the good feeling one gets when you slip on a pair of your well worn driving gloves. Like when you reach down and pull your bucket seat up against your racing harness or your seat belts and become one with that living breathing entity surrounding you.

Rounding thru the next apex with the motor behind you up on cam and the rear tires scrabbling for purchase against tarmac.

That kind of thing which is intangible to most folks, but to the person who has owned, or now owns and drives a car like we all here know about.
A tightness, kind of a little moment rises up in your throat, and makes a guy breathe just a little different.

And when viewed in contrast to the pictures that records these memories of a life lived in joy of ownership of a Porsche such as this.........well, I think you all know what I mean.
Its more than just special.

Its real stuff.

Thanks for sharing your pictures, your story, and Mike's life with us.

Raj,

I'll look into the wiring and switch stuff later this week and post some info. Very behind on work now.

Currently coming off sensory overload from Amelia, probably should post a thread on that amazing event as well.

Thanks,
Bryce

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Knobs and backlight colors (both appear green, although when lit up are amber, probably due to age). Fog lights on left by steering column and driving lights above radio

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Below bumper fog light switch
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Switch and BTB fogs added by original owner after car purchase, July 69. Wired per below diagram. It's a replacement switch. Original installed switch was 911.613.027.00 according to records

Wiring
Follows this diagram.

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TTG Driving Lights (Factory installed/wired)
Per factory T,E,S electrical diagram

Operation
Fog lights - Pull for fronts, then 1/4 turn and rear fog comes on. Fogs stay on with low or high beams, and switch lights up
Driving lights - When switch is pulled and high beams are on, driving lights work and switch lights up

Since fogs stay on regardless of high and low headlights, the wiring for fogs may bypass the headlight switch.

TTG Drivings were factory which was unusual for a US car so they may have slipped through.

Below bumper fogs were post delivery by dealer, as factory refused the install. Fog lights were purchased from a dealer in Germany and shipped to owner in July 69. Back then, he could not get a US dealer parts dept to order halogen lights, hence the drastic measures. This is all documented in the car's paper trail.

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Also, I agree with your post in the bob tilton thread regarding knob symbol colors that 'green' is the right one for LWB cars. I have no idea if it's the same for SWB.

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Thanks yes the combo was rare but there are 67's with both installed at the factory for other markets-just not US and maybe other markets i am not aware of.


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P.S was the harness installed at the factory and just not hooked or was all wiring and lights done here.Also,can you post photos of the relay for these?sorry for all the requests.


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Interesting points you bring up.
Re: TTG and BTB lights from factory
I thought I read that the Factory Accessories Brochure in the pic above was a world doc but language translated for each market. I could easily be wrong. But if I am correct, this could mean this was a world market requirement, maybe starting in 69.

Re: relays and wiring harness
Look at the wiring harness and tell me what you think. The white/greens have been separated from the main harness bundle, but all of it is wrapped up as it is routed to the front of the car. Was this green/white run up into the front harness, then taped over or is that factory tape?
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In above pic, Big red #30 on Fuse box 1 (sticker in glare says '30'), plus note splice of striped wire onto 87 on Fuse box 2. This splicing of the correct wire back to the switch and labeling was probably done by Capt Mike after getting the car back from the dealer so he could keep track of the wires and have the wire colors match the factory diagram.

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Relays - note I have the standard 'two pack' which is correct according to factory manual for one set of auxiliary lights which matches the manual too. So the btb fogs may go to another relay, I'll have to check where the btb fog relay is
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This morning I took advantage of the fantastic cool, crisp spring weather here in Atlanta, coupled with the doubly light traffic on the roads due to Easter. I had the surface streets to myself for awhile.

I took a few shots in the early light that didn't turn out that well. So much for point and shoot! Here's an example. Of note is the house in the background... that's 912 Lullwater Dr, Dr. Leonard Turner's place. You may recognize the name if you enjoy the photography in Panorama magazine. I imagine he'd have some suggestions for me after seeing this shot...

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Next was a quick run over to downtown Decatur, where I found this great wall mural. I think the slogan at the top of the picture is the unsaid mantra for the S Registry.

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I then meandered west along Dekalb Avenue towards downtown, ending up on Krog St where I pulled over to take some pictures against the old stove works buildings. These once decaying structures are now nice restaurants and trendy offices and such. Still a bit edgy, so you never know what you will find. Read on.

Wormhole alert! I left the engine idling as I was only going to be there a few minutes to snap some pics. The door across the street inched open as I took the first one, and out came Evan (the boy) and then my host. They had heard my car idling and had to see what was what. The next 1/2 hour was truly memorable.

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Apparently I had by pure coincidence pulled up in front of the garage/offices of an avid motor enthusiast, architect, and general renaissance sort of guy's getaway, that of Mr. Richard Taylor. After admiring my car for a few minutes, he invited me on a tour of his place. Unfortunately his 71 T was not at his shop to comb over.

Inside he was working on his Triumph TR for the tribute at the Mitty end of this month. A vintage Triumph motorcycle was up on a stand in the loft accessible by the old freight elevator. Lotus body hanging mid air, waiting for the chassis currently under renovation. And a mechanically original 67 Beetle he had just finished painting. He had converted the old machine room of the stove works factory into his architecture firm's offices, reusing all the old fixtures and systems in the most interesting ways. Scale model building desk, antique rifle restoration, WWII airplane parts, and sleeping quarters decked out from his recollections of arrangements used during his service in Vietnam. Let's see, beekeeping on the balcony, rainwater collection from the roof to flush toilets, what am I forgetting!

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The moral of the story is get out and drive your car today and see what adventure finds you. Do it in tribute to Butzi or whatever excuse you need to exercise the machinery.

Oh, and Happy Easter!

- Bryce

Delighted to see this car in such good hands. I knew Captain Mike and I know how much he cared about this car. I know Jean was happy to see you end up with it.
Regards,
Tom in NC

Thanks for the kind words, Tom!

It's a pleasure to have folks that knew Mike and the car chime in on this thread.

Special day of sorts:

-1 year anniversary of my ownership of this car. 2200 miles of learning, driving, researching, and sharing. That's more miles than the car covered in the previous twenty years of its life. This machine has been so much fun to drive and tinker with, getting the last few percent the way I want it. Looking back at my 'to-do' list, I've done so many small things to it that have added up to quite a lot. Of course there is always something else to do but that's half the enjoyment for me at least!

-My daughter was born on the 18th as well... of July. So that makes her 21 months old. She is quickly taking to all things mechanical just like her dad! Mesmerized by the sound of the engine, she's still much more comfortable hanging out close by with the ignition off.
Looking forward to her first outing in the car someday, car seat search has ensued with little luck so far.

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Lets see here, blond, natural curly hair, nope, not from dad's side :)

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What a great pic - You can almost see the wheels spinning......

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Just saw this, Ed. It's a mystery! My wife has the same coloring as me... Have to go back to each of our parents to find some blonde hair and blue eyes

With those blonde curly locks she is going to look SOOOOO good driving that 69 when she turns 16 :cool:

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check the mail man Bryce :)

So Bryce, anymore new things found out about your little guy since the last postings of pics,

Have you had any more memorable drives like the picture taking session with the enthusiast in the barn ?

Great story BTW, and pretty cool pictures of the little guy looking around the door, the shot of you and your daughter. It reminds us there is a new generation coming along here in a few years that will be driving and enjoying these wonderful little sports cars. Good memories to be had during the growing up years and " the coming of age " in this midst of sports car love..............

Farrell,
I've ruled the mail man out. Let's just say he's not blonde and blue eyed ... :)

Mr. GJ,

Nothing new to report on the car. Weather is getting oppressively hot so I haven't been out in it much beyond the occasional pre-dawn neighborhood exercise.

Lots of small tinkering repairs and such like cleaning the gauges (got rid of the 43 year old haze), fixing small oil leaks, etc. It seems to be running better and better the more it gets driven.

With some ownership time under the belt now, one of these hot days I'll probably sit down and reread the files on the car to see if anything interesting pops up.

Or sort through the parts stash... I have boxes of NOS stuff

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The truth for me is the most unique thing about anything one will run into will be the people,no two will ever be alike.that is a custom order.nice picture of you spending time with family and if they can gain some interest all the better it will be etched in their Brian long after we are gone it will be one of those photos talked about how daddy is proud girof his daughter whom he loves dearly next his girlfriend and there is a price to pay,may more attention to your wife,it doesn't matter the girlfriend is an inanimate object it is still attention away from where it should be-don't buy too many parts at once 5 boxes 5 gifts how many did the wife get?

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Raj is channeling Reza at 3am.......... or it could be my 4 am interpretation.......

I love it when the magic catches hold and then someone tries to sincerely capture it in words, or pictures, or song, or.....
Doesn't need to be something big, or perfect,
kinda like a dog walking on two legs - it may not be a thing of beauty but it is remarkable that it can be done at all.

- There must be a word for it...

Thanks Raj - and also for bumping that wonderful pic.

I agree, John. I don't have a word for it either but I know what it is.

Raj - I haven't seen many posts from you lately and then that early riser (or maybe overseas?) reflection. Thanks for the comments. I enjoyed reading them and share some of the same feelings.

Without waxing too sentimental, old cars offer a glimpse into lives lived and are a constant reminder of where we come from. While my S was the lifelong companion of an old friend, the car bug was definitely in my DNA.

I lost my best car buddy, my father, at far too young an age, and there's not an afternoon in my garage, a ride in the 911, or a day at the track where I don't think about him.

While it's easy to focus on the cars themselves, it's these memorable connections with others that make owning them special.

IMO, some of the better individual car threads on this board attempt to do this--marry the parts and fixes with people and experience:

I like Rick's keeping us abreast of his ownership journey and his most recent quest to find the previous owners of his 70S.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Ten-Fifty-nine

I also enjoy the restoration of the astronaut's 72S.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-of-9112300023

-Bryce

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Just avoid the temptation to sell it when she turns 18 and you need to put her through Harvard. By then your beautiful car will be worth at least as much as 4 years of tuition and board in the Ivy Leagues.

Enjoy every minute of it.

Weather forecast? Check (no rain, but will be silly hot by afternoon).
Full tank? Check.
Water bottle? Check.
Tire Pressure? Oil level? Check. Check.
Food? Nahh. I'll be home in time for lunch.
Driving buddy? Well, merbesfield said something about having to work and no front cooler yet on his '73S. So solo it is...

What better way to spend a day off of work?

Well, if you live in Atlanta and it's August and you like to drive, you get up early... like before sunrise early. Why? To beat the heat and the rush hour traffic. And you head north into the Appalachians to stay cool and exercise the ride on roads that cater to the car's purpose built nature.

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Once out of the foothills of the northern suburbs of Atlanta, the route takes you onto a low ridge, eventually making its way up to the Eastern Continental Divide at Neels Gap.

At 3109 feet above sea level, Neels Gap is the first worthwhile rest stop at about an hour and a half into the trip. The Appalachian Trail (AT) comes through this gap and passes underneath a roof of the outdoor gear store/hostel--this is the only time the trail goes through a manmade structure on its entire 2200 odd mile length. I've hiked the 80 or so miles in GA and parts of it all the way up to Maine. But I digress.

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Since it's early and the sun is still relatively low, you are hitting all the high elevation gaps before the sun can even touch the roadway down in the narrow valleys.

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The overall route crisscrosses the AT a few times, climbing from ~1000' down in Atlanta up to just under 4700' at the Brasstown Bald parking lot. This is two hours into the trip.

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From the highest point in Georgia (4784'), it's back down the super steep grade of the Bald spur road and over to the Richard B Russell Scenic Highway and a tasty scenic overlook at ~3600 feet. It's about 9:30am now. This expansive view was uninterrupted in the solitude and quiet, as I had the roads to myself!

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Making my way back down through the foothills towards metro Atlanta, I began taking on the heat of a classic southern summer day with 'air you can wear' humidity.

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Found a shady patch for a break

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On the way home, I decided to stop by the new Atlanta Motorsports Park to check out the facility and see if there is anything happening on track. Turns out there was a members' track day going on so I stayed for a bit to watch the cars. There happened to be a coupla new Porsches there--a Coxster in the hot pits and a 991 that was quietly blasting down the front straight (eerily quiet I should note). Overall, interesting track layout, doubling up all over itself, very compact. I'd be a bit concerned with lack of runoff, but I'm not a member so oh well.

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Finally, 230 miles later, I could have been home in time for lunch. But instead I stopped off at my friend's place which happens to be the hands down best Porsche repair shop in Atlanta and I would guess the Southeast. I should write a separate entry on Pat in the future, but it's already so hard getting my car in to see him, I'm a bit reluctant to spread the word (you reading this, Pat?) ;)

And then a nap. (because it's my day off, remember)?.

Oh yeah, the car.

Reflecting now, this was my first time truly driving the car. Not that the first 2500 miles haven't been enjoyable, but let's face it... you really don't get to know a purpose built car until you can spend quality one on one time with it in an appropriate setting. Living in a city, it's rare that my car and I see a two lane twisty--we're usually rowing through the gears between traffic lights and four way stops, gumming up all those MFI bits and oil galleys with low temperature short runs. We're cramped is the best way to put it. An early S with its sometimes awkward gearing, wooly cam timing and high compression does not like to putz around town.

It ran flawlessly, and now seems to idle and pull even smoother. I spiked some recent tanks with a splash of Marvel Mystery Oil, and with this morning's sustained running and rpm range thrashing, it seems very content.

Which reminds me of a promotional video Porsche put out for the 993's debut, way back in '94. In it, Danny Sullivan, DED, Jr, and Hurley Haywood comment on Porsche and the iconic 911. Paraphrasing Haywood from memory, he says that you can take a 911 and push it relentlessly all day long, and when you get the car home it's probably thanking you.

For all the garage queens out there, take them off life support (the battery tender) and drive 'em. Yes they are getting valuable and are somewhat scarce and hard to find parts for and all the rest. But in the end, air-cooled Porsches are very special machines that beg to be driven.

Thanks for indulging me! :)

Nice Story...thanks for sharing.
...man, it was HOT today, I bet you dropped 10 lbs:)

That is a fine looking car. Very nice!

Thanks buddy for the play by play......felt like I was right there with you grinning thru the twisties

What other car of like vintage can produce such bag loads of Nirvana ?

Now THAT'S what I'm 'talkin' about, all this talk lately about monetary values, so what, the value is in the satisfaction the car delivers!!

Hey, Bryce . . .

Glad to read/see that you're out driving your little beauty. And great pics, too ---- especially that 'gun camera' stuff out the windows . . . puts me in the car there with you

More, please

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Glad you liked it, Ed.

And as a contrast to all the (of course necessary) FS and WTB posts flooding the forum lately... I wanted to mix it up a bit with a solo 'day in the life' post. Inspiration for those that are hard at work gathering the parts and putting their cars together.

There are some excellent 'watch me build it' and ownership threads on the forum. Single threads are a great way to keep track of a car, ask questions, share ideas, answer quesetions -- 1059, Candyce's Sepia 73S, the astronaut's S, numerous others... plus a bunch of dormant ones I have saved off hoping the owners provide updates (hint, hint).

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Indeed. It took a few Gatorades back home to get all systems normal!

Looking forward to cooler fall weather.

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Hey, Brice . . .

Glad to read/see that you're out driving your little beauty. And great pics, too ---- especially that 'gun camera' stuff out the windows . . . puts me in the car there with you

More, please

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Glad you enjoyed it, Rick! 1059's saga is the benchmark. The Moby Dick of EarlyS threads...

I understand demand is outstripping supply at the moment, but just a quick plug for Eric's offering. Great fit and quality.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ew-product-AFS

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Now to find something of similar quality for the 169s below the bumper... anyone have any suggestions?

Hi - although this reply is not "in line" with your previous question, I am interested to know what resources you found helpful, as you learned the history of your car? I am awaiting delivery of a 1968 S, and I have a lot of questions about how it was delivered, what was on it, what wasn't, and was curious if you (or anyone) had good advice on how to figure it out. It has the COA, but I know that is only the beginning, and I'd like to know more... Any tips? Thanks,

Peanut,
Welcome and here is some basic advice.

1. Get to know this web site very well. It is the single best source of info on early the 911 on the web, bar none. The built-in search feature can be underwhelming, so wrap your brain around this thread for getting the best results:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...egistry-forums

2. Start a thread of your own. Keep all your questions about your car on that thread. People will read it, it will gather a following, and you have one place to post and keep track of everything.

3. Learning history of your car - In my case, it was a known. I was friends with the original owner and he kept everything, down to the cash register receipts for the odd bulb or fuse. He hounded the factory back in the late 70s for the Kardex so that answered many questions (and created others).

In your case, search this site (using built in search feature) as well as Google your car's VIN. See what comes up.

4. People have done DMV/MOT based searches on their car (again, search the site, the '1059' thread is a good example where Rick knocks on doors in Europe from his home in SoCal). Results will vary depending on your locale and the car's past life. You can also sift through whatever documentation comes with your car and try to track down previous owners. Take notes, create a file, all the rest.

5. It's all sort of a dice roll. Take time to enjoy your car in the process of all the research. I hope you plan to drive it!

Thanks for the advice. I will start a thread, and I certainly plan on driving the car... weather permitting in Florida. Enjoy the pending Fall season.

Let's take a break from the valuation and pricing talk of late and get back to the basics.

Just fanning some enthusiasm your way...

I like this photo. So many special details in the 911 engine bay, from fasteners to finishes. Nothing too bright or overly clean--just nicely aged and period correct (minus the snorkel sticker). I prefer the original finish on a 911 fan over a restored one.

Compared to these photos of an 18k mile 69S engine bay--virtually the same, down to the green striped wire looped off the coil.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post513174

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Original glass, brightwork, seatbacks, snaps, carpet, luggage straps, etc. Includes the odd nick or two. All the interior metal has a nice patina to it while the leather is original, still holding up well with regular TLC.

When I get in a restored early car, it just doesn't smell the same. Something in the original leather seats, straps, seat filling, glues, etc. makes for a very unique experience when you settle in to drive. Others have pointed it out as well. It apparently can't be duplicated...

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Enjoy the long weekend here in the States. Atlanta is stuck in the warm and humid backwash of Mr. Isaac without much rain to show for it. Not the best driving weather for sure...

Bryce, I agree, some cars seem to be overly restored and loose much of their charm and smell. Sometimes a good thing. My current 73S has the exact same smell that my first 73S had 25 years ago. Smelly leather, wet horse hair, I don't know but I love it. Every time I get in it brings back memories.

Bryce,nice shots, thanks!

Just a quick note about my car's 'family member', a 1990 Westie Syncro... it's on the market as of today.

I mentioned this VW camper in the ESSES article on my car that appeared a few issues ago. I may have written about it as well in this thread, I don't recall.

At any rate, the original owner of my 911, Captain Mike, was a huge VW enthusiast, in particular the campers. He had a few of them, this last one for a very long time. He was the admin for www.westfalia.org, an excellent source of info on all things Westfalia, until he passed away in February 2011.

If you are interested, please see the attached pdf document in this post for some back story on the vehicle, details of his factory order and customizations, plus photos. His wife, Jean, included her contact info in the attachment.

Sidebar story:
I had a rental car parked in front of my house a couple days ago. While I was inside getting ready for the day trip, it was side swiped by a guy in a VW Camper. While waiting for the police to show up, we got to talking and I told him I knew someone who was a big Westie enthusiast. After sharing a few details on the vehicle, he said, "You mean Captain Mike?" I told him I owned his 911 and he said he met Mike at a camper event years ago and remembered him and the Westie. Small world!

Bryce, just got time to really read your day off trip. Boy would that have been a good trip for us, sorry I could not make it. Pick another day now that the weather is so nice and let's go!

Hey, Bryce . . .

Been a while

Any updates? Or --- better, yet . . . any more Drives?



And have you noticed? . . . . except for the spelling --- we have the same avatars

Rick,

Not much to report, really. Cooler weather and fall color should be ideal driving weather though. Hope to catch some day trips soon and will share.

Regarding the avatar, funny you bring that up. I was just reading over my car's docs last night, and apparently, for a period of time, my car had '911S' as its road going NC license plate. Maybe it's why your car lived in NC with '911EST' on its plate... my car had the real deal... :)

At any rate, some minor oil leaks I can't get to on my own and rechecking the tune--we may try to lean it out just a bit. Waiting to get in to see Pat, and I need to do a write up on him although he doesn't need the advertising for sure as word of mouth keeps him plenty busy.

Over the past few months I've watched him tune a Carrera GS engine, troubleshoot and fix the mechanical fuel injection pump on a '70 Alfa, rebuild the brakes on a '46 MG, sort out a '53 Healey 100M, and of course work on numerous early 911s, many of which are discussed right here on the registry.

That's probably enough right there, except for adding trustworthy and honest friendship as the backbone.

Requisite car pics

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64 901 to early 1965 is smooth vinyl with riveted clasps
Mid 65 through 66 is ribbed vinyl.
Changeover occurred in 1966 to a "fabric like texture" vinyl (kind of like a pinpoint oxford shirt material texture), continued through 1967.
67 was the textured material like vinyl, note that I've seen (and own) some of these bags with red interior
68 was PREDOMINANTLY a smooth vinyl with a putty color interior, with a few bags showing up that were in elephant type material and I've seen some of these elephant vinyl material in a coupe of 69s. Note that these is very very few of these elephant type material bags around suggesting it was only used for a very limited time.
69 was PREDOMINANTLY a smooth vinyl with a "tan" colored interior (not putty color).
70 to mid 73 was the basketweave with clasps.
Two bags were offered from mid 73 to end of the year... one string tie, and one snap type bag.

This is from decades of research and hundreds of bags and cars looked at, and plenty of toolkits owned (and still owned).

Are there exceptions? Of course... but if you aren't the original owner .....

regards,
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Lately we have seen a number of FS ads and posts about tool kits, proper contents, correct bag, etc. Eric (Soterik) replies with a write up I have seen him post numerous times regarding the correct bag that came with each year.

Here is my car's original tool kit. I believe everything is here, except for the Pudenz fuse pack which I keep in the glove compartment.

It appears to line up with his findings that 1969 was a smooth vinyl with tan interior tool bag.

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My 1969 E has the same bag

Here's a simple clean up project I did on my car around the seat mounts.

If your car is like most, that area between the seat and the door sill catches all sorts of nasty stuff. Over the years, the rain, spilled drinks, dirt, etc take their toll. It's sort of a black hole of unkept incorrectness... the side alley of a car's cabin that no one ventures down. Not to mention the general breakdown of the finishes on everything, leaving it corroded and the mounts rusting. You get the picture!

In the process of researching this, I looked at a number of other cars, and very few have this area 'correct', much less decent looking, restored and unrestored alike (go look at yours).

The hardware itself isn't the easiest to source. If you go to Porsche, they tell you the allen head screws are NLA. These screws have a special shallow head M6 x 15MM, the lock washers are very narrow and fit flush with the allen head, and the 6,4MM x 18MM fender washers for the mounting brackets don't even show up in the PET. Currently, Porsche carries the lock washers only, and my local dealer had no clue about the fender washers since they aren't in the PET...

This topic was delved into a bit here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ing-reproduced

Note the last post in the above thread, asking for info about the signs of a larger washer being used on the mounting bracket bolts at some point in his car's past. Well here it all is laid out for ya.

The details
Based on the 700 Mile S photo of untouched seat hardware found here (thanks to David Conklin):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8072442...7630169538658/

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Note all seat hardware was originally gold, most likely cadmium plated. So what we get today is gold zinc.

I spoke with Mike Garriga at Stoddard who clued me into the 'off fiche' washer that didn't show up on the PET. He even went out into the warehouse to source some, in the proper gold zinc finish. So, here's what you need to get this sorted:

Stoddard Parts
(28) SIC-119-042-02 : M6 x 15 shallow head screw
(12) 900-151-003-02 : 6,4MM x 18MM fender washers (gold zinc)
(28) N-012-026-3 : Lock washers

The price of these parts is very reasonable. In fact, less than the incorrectly sized and plated stuff you will find at your local hardware store.

The results look fantastic to me. Just enough splash of color in a spartan interior to accentuate the seats and the other finishes around it. It will look even better when the Coco Mats arrive in a couple weeks...

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So when you are done with this project, save your old hardware and have it replated down the road. And keep in mind that the seat support brackets are NLA as well, so don't toss em.

I hope this Porsche minutiae helps someone else 'get it right'.

-Bryce

I have owned two original '69 cars....911T, buffalo hide, 912 waffle....your bag's exterior vinyl was more common to '67-'68 cars but there is no dogma as to which vinyl for which year. The girls in the upholstery shop just made up bags from what ever they had so materials overlap years. The tan interior is one of the wierd one year only exceptions as SWB cars had gray with your outside finish and most '69 later cars had a few buiffalo and mostly waffle but always grey inside.

OOPS! Early cars had black oxide allen/cap screws with small diameter split lock washers, also black, and then the yellow zinc wide 6mm washers....somewhere around '72 the cap screws started arriving in yellow zinc. Some of the only real cadmium on the cars were the seat rails....clear cad, not zinc.

"72-"73 cars also had the paper clip shaped washers under the two end cap screws on the chassis to rail plates.

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OOPS! Early cars had black oxide allen/cap screws with small diameter split lock washers, also black, and then the yellow zinc wide 6mm washers....somewhere around '72 the cap screws started arriving in yellow zinc. Some of the only real cadmium on the cars were the seat rails....clear cad, not zinc.

"72-"73 cars also had the paper clip shaped washers under the two end cap screws on the chassis to rail plates.

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It's hard to tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with what I posted...

What is your definition of 'early cars'? Is the 70S 'early' or late in your book?

Both my '69s and a '70T which I did own had black cap screws, etc. 71s I've seen and judged were the same. The '73 RS I restored last year had all yellow, except the little lock washers, and my memory says '72s were all yellow and that is when the strange paper clip washers started appearing.

Apoligies, "early" is now a relative term....I was specifically referring to '69-'73 cars. I am now dismantling my '67 911S for restoration and can't recall the seat rail stuff....I have a note book in which I make drawings and notes as to fastener sizes, plating, etc. Something tells me there was some clear/silver zinc on the rails, but I'll have to look at my notes.

Interesting.

We have the pic above of the 70S with gold zinc and your statement that you have seen 70 and even 71 cars with black oxide. Maybe it varied from S to T, as many Ts were Karmann at the time and had slightly different assembly guidelines or supply lines.

FWIW, my car originally had some -68 fasteners on it in various places. When the original owner went through the car for his refurb back in the late 70s, he laughed at how much of it didn't line up with the PET for 69 cars and went ahead and 'corrected the factory'...

Then again, 69 is that oddball year as the first LWB, but stuck in the SWB PET, so who really knows... :)

When it comes to proper finish, I think this might be one of those, 'whatever was in the fastener bins' when a car came down the line.

To make matters more uncertain, I have seen what I believe to be an untouched 72S with black oxide allen heads, so there goes any absolute for sure...

Bottom line then - look at my review above as guidelines for cleaning the area up and getting the right hardware, realizing the stuff at the hardware store doesn't cut it. Your mileage may vary on what was originally on your car as supplies seemed to change over time at the factory.

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... early cars had black oxide allen/cap screws with small diameter split lock washers, also black, and then the yellow zinc wide 6mm washers...

...Both my '69s and a '70T which I did own had black cap screws, etc. 71s I've seen and judged were the same. The '73 RS I restored last year had all yellow, except the little lock washers, and my memory says '72s were all yellow and that is when the strange paper clip washers started appearing.

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Mark,

I looked deeper into the condition of my left over fasteners from the switch out to the '700 Mile S' look shown in the above pic a few posts back. Underneath layers of grime, touched up corroded black oxide, and surprisingly, some paint (!?) were exactly what you described:
Black oxide allen head and lock washers, and yellow zinc fender washers.

So I cleaned them up, found a local service that does black oxide and had the allens and washers redone, reusing the Stoddard yellow zinc fender washers.

So your recollection on 'early' cars is holding up, as long as early is up to 69. We are still in the dark on what happens in '70, as the '700 Mile S' clearly has a different fastener setup. Plus your recollection that some Ts you have seen of same year having the 'early' car black oxide fasteners throws a wrench in it as well. My theory is still there that Ts were made differently at Karmann where hardware supplies may have been different from S cars made at the Porsche factory.

So thanks for your input.

Here is the final product, correct for a (er, my) 69S:

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My '70T was driven a lot in weather and just "used" initially..until the '72 Can Am weekend at Elkhart Lake....axle deep mud in Porsche Park. When I got back to Indianapolis I decided to "clean" the bottom. Well, that went all winter and into spring with the car essentially being disassembled and everything cataloged and refinished. It became a PCA maniac car...driven to Parades, entered in all events, etc. Took 3rd behind Bob White's Patrick and Pat Scanlan's stunning black '68 911L, and 2nd in time trial at Brainard. I recall quite clearly black cap screws and split washers with yellow 6mm wide washers on that 1970 car.

Given the news of late (Otto and Bruce Anderson passing--very sad), and the very off topic discussions of a transaction gone sour (on a 69S no less), onto a happier topic:

How about a pic of the favorite part of my car, the fabled 69S engine! Complete with the original MFI pump and MFI transducer resoldered/tested by the famed Otto only 2 years ago.

9.9:1 compression, 190hp SAE out of 1991cc. The closest to a race engine put out by the factory in a production, air-cooled 911. Everything after was a compromise due to environmental and noise regulations, and some obscure concept called 'everyday driveability' ...

Leakdown is 2-3% across all cylinders. 87k documented miles with no major service work in 45 years.

Recent changes include the latest 930 tensioners, updated sprocket idler arms, new chain ramps, and collars.

2nd to being behind the wheel, this is my favorite vantage point.

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Came across a stash of these and really love the look on the car. Modern blades just don't have the same interesting level of detail.

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You can get repros for the fronts from Soterik here. The only difference I can see from the originals is the plastic snap versus the original snug fit metal insert:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-68-to-73.....

Eric's are VERY nice, but.....they do not have the stylized diamond SWF logo or "Made in Germany" stamped as originals.

I'm sure he did not want to get into copy right issues.

Boy... your car is so clean! Very cool.

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I'm sure he did not want to get into copy right issues.

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Nor did my manufacturer.

In regards to the plastic snap vs the snug fit metal insert, that was a difficult call. I could only make "one" blade, and I wasn't convinced they used the metal insert beyond one or two years (68-69). I did make the metal insert for the 65-67 versions, so it wasn't an issue of technology. In the end the plastic version won out due to the information I had on hand to cover the most years. These are costly to make and the minimums are atrocious.

Here is a close up of the sound pad from a PM request.

It looks like 69 may have been the last year of the circular pattern of raised dots on the sound pad. In 70, the texture changed.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...gine-Sound-Pad

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Nice detail shot. Who can tell me what the name and part number is for the black coil textured hose is that is pictured running from just left of center bottom to Behind the coil? The one on my car is split and appears to be silver colored under the black exterior.

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Nice detail shot. Who can tell me what the name and part number is for the black coil textured hose is that is pictured running from just left of center bottom to Behind the coil? The one on my car is split and appears to be silver colored under the black exterior.

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That is the outer hose for the MFI thermostat. It covers an inner hose as well.
Outer (shiny black): PCG 110 296 00 (superseded, now new paper/foil, not black/shiny texture)
Inner (paper/foil): 901 110 295 00

Discussed here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hermostat-Hose

Thank you!

Our early 911s made the big trip down and back incident free -- no mechanical problems or brushes with the law. Perfect weather and some fun night time driving on rural interstate... H1 high beams and TTG driving lights brought on an early sunrise. WOW. What candlepower on the front of my car

We returned with very special memories from the weekend --the drive itself, the seminars, the auctions, the show field and just hanging out together.

Stay tuned for a future ESSES article by Jim Johnston that covers our trip in detail.

Some visuals of the experience from my perspective:

First rest stop out of Atlanta
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Talking to Magnus about his experience in a PCNA supplied 991. He will tell the story of his trip in an upcoming article for Total911 magazine.
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Over the fender of an Ossi Blue 69E at the inaugural Amelia Cars and Coffee event on Saturday
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I don't think this guy needs an intro. What a cool cat he is
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Early morning in downtown Fernandina Beach
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Excellent ................ ;)

Here are a few taken from my phone camera..

and a few more...

Hey, Bryce . . .

It's been a while . . .

Any updates or drives to share of your lovely car?


And don't forget about Porsche's 50 Years of 911 . . .

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/50y...eeplink=site_1

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Hey, Bryce . . .

It's been a while . . .

Any updates or drives to share of your lovely car?

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Geez, just a little over a month is all it's been... I still haven't even cleaned the car up from the Amelia Island Concours road trip back in March!

But I like your 'gentle nudge' technique on the owner maintained car threads. So here goes...

A timely bump as we have the HSR Walter Mitty up at Road Atlanta this weekend. Skipped school yesterday with a couple of S Registry guys and we headed up to the track.

Paddock parking and sleeping arrangements courtesy of Michael Eberhardt, of Vintage Seats fame. Some tough luck with one of his cars yesterday (mechanical) and weather wasn't looking promising this morning when I left. Hopefully rest of weekend is as memorable as yesterday though. Spent some quality time with the ever gracious and story laden Franz Blam. He has seen it all and has an awesome recall ability from the golden era of motorsports--there's hardly a series or big name he hasn't had personal experience with going back into the late 60s.

The Can Am tribute race is always a highlight. Sounds that stay with you long after the event has passed. Even saw the Sandeman 917 on track... one of these beasts at full song is becoming more and more rare as the years go by. Makes you appreciate those that put on the show for the dreamers... that's the Mitty for you!

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Good to see you Bryce. The rain ended up holding off all day and got a lot more racing in. Here are a couple more pics for you.

- Farrell

Thanks for the pics, Farrell. Some quid pro quo, with a shot of Franz through your windshield...

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This past Saturday was spent on a beautiful drive up to Highlands, NC and back. In this uniquely situated town, I met up with a few Early S Registry members from Knoxville for the 6th Annual Highlands Motoring Festival. Conspicuously missing on my round trip was our friend Pat who had to cancel at the last minute.

At 125 miles one way, Highlands is the perfect distance from Atlanta for a quick getaway. It sits at 4118', so it's the second highest incorporated town east of the Mississippi. The weather is anywhere from 8-10 degrees cooler year round compared to the bigger cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, and Knoxville.

We didn't know what to expect turnout wise for the event, but it ended up being a perfect excuse just to get together and catch up in this high spot between Atlanta and Knoxville. This year the featured marque was Porsche, and there were probably 25 Porsches total. The event had a nice small town feel to it. I met a few new faces in the early car community as well.

The car ran flawlessly, registering 89,300 miles at trip's end. I was curious how the MFI would do with the elevation change, envisioning that old barometric compensating cell on the pump causing running issues. But the system performed beautifully!

Here are some pictures from the trip, including a not so straight iPhone panoramic shot of our cars--that's not poor panel fit, I promise!

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Much of the drive for the last 10 miles or so on NC 106 is 3rd gear twisties as you climb onto the shoulder of the Highlands plateau. Just those 10 miles were worth the 250 mile roundtrip.

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Bryce

After my recent purchase, the Aussie cousin to your car well at least in colour anyway but certainly not condition, I re read your thread from start to finish...think you going to get more than one request for some specific photos:D

I can also confirm that the seat rail hex screws are indeed black in my car too so your not on your own.

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Bryce

After my recent purchase, the Aussie cousin to your car well at least in colour anyway but certainly not condition, I re read your thread from start to finish...think you going to get more than one request for some specific photos:D

I can also confirm that the seat rail hex screws are indeed black in my car too so your not on your own.

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Clyde,
I am happy to help you sort out your mirror image of my car.

And glad to hear your confirmation of the seat mounting hardware setup.

Cool, can I have your Hella 118's then:D

Help in a relative way... ;)

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a set for your car

Hey, Bryce . . . .

Been a while, now . . .

Time for a bump-date

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the nudge!

Not nearly as action packed a life as 1059, my car has still had a memorable year to date.

Since I've taken it out on a few great trips posted earlier in the thread (Amelia Island, FL & Highlands, NC), it's been a slow drip of the odd Sunday morning cars/coffee event and the vintage races up at Road Atlanta. Mostly been tinkering with it in the garage or hanging out with it at the local man cave

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Then something new this past weekend. Coincidental to your bump was my first concours with the car. Now I'm not really a concours participant, more of a spectator... since my cars are all well maintained drivers, including my once show car 911. But the venue was Piedmont Park which is basically my backyard, so I couldn't pass it up. Plus a chance to get the family out for a stroll before the eventually fizzled Tropical Storm Karen was to hit the area.

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Weather held for the afternoon, met some nice people, and saw many very clean Porsches. There were people actually duct taping the dirt molecules out of their carpet--me, I vacuumed my car for the second time since I've owned it and didn't have a chance to clean up the interstate grime from a run up to the historics a few weeks ago... but anyway, I placed 3rd in French. I actually tied 2nd with an original owner 70T, then they rejudged exterior to break the tie and his 1 year old clearcoated repaint of Burgundy Red won out over my old, fading, I believe the new term is 'patinated', single stage Polo Red. The winner was a never driven concours bomber, 1 of 1 Gulf Blue 79 930 that was the personal car of Gulf Oil chairman back then.

At any rate, I give full credit to the revamped Panorama for pushing me to give the local chapter a try. They pulled off a nice event in a spectacular venue. Kudos to Jeff Frye and company.

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On other fronts, I've been busy tracking down the arcane, smallest of details and correcting them to my satisfaction. I bet most people didn't know that the windshield washer stickers on the clamshell varied from year to year... My interior is right where I want it to be. If I can only keep these original leather seats supple and usable, the whole cockpit can age gracefully as one...

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P.S. Excuse the photo quality. Camera phones are the best I can do these days... kid gear takes up the rest of my hands

Good update. Sounds like a pretty full calendar for your car, in my opinion. Georgia allows you to use the 69 plates for your car, it appears. You got fortunate with the black color for 69. 1968 Florida tags... Red. Not such a good look on a Polo Red car.

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Good update. Sounds like a pretty full calendar for your car, in my opinion. Georgia allows you to use the 69 plates for your car, it appears. You got fortunate with the black color for 69. 1968 Florida tags... Red. Not such a good look on a Polo Red car.

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Yes, the black plate against the red does look nice, I agree. Other years were different colors.

In Georgia, if car is MY70 or older, you can run a vintage plate on your car.

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. . . Excuse the photo quality. Camera phones are the best I can do . . . kid gear takes up the rest of my hands . . .

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Know how that works. So . . . here's a suggestion

My camera'd been running outta battery power at a coupla Car Shows --- and I was getting a little tweaked about it, too . . . so I'd decided to get some extra batteries. Problem was --- my camera's kinda old . . . like, ~10+ years? Kind of a challenge

So, I took the part numbers --- for camera + battery . . . and hit the 'net. Nothing available on the manufacturer's web-site, so? . . .

. . . I went to eBay

All kinds of batteries --- new, used, etc . . . but --- better, still? . . .

I found a complete camera oufit --- w/ camera, batteries, cases, chargers even data cables!

Actually --- I found two . . . bought 'em both . . . for $70 total

SONY Cyber-shot, model DSC-T9. Not the slickest/smartest/latest/greatest, but . . .

6 mega-pixel isn't small, come w/ s/w to 'steady' the shot, Zeiss optics, and no-balony-it's-a-SONY

Fits in the palm of my hand --- and my pocket. Just pull it out, slide down the cover, point + shoot . . . down-load to the lap-top

Virtually every shot that I've posted here --- for the last 5 years . . . came courtesy of these Little Marvels


So --- if you've gotta pocket? . . . then you can take a decent picture . . .


. . . and not just of your cars

;)

Remember . . . if you don't take a picture? . . .
. . . it's like it never happened

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Yes, the black plate against the red does look nice, I agree. Other years were different colors.

In Georgia, if car is MY70 or older, you can run a vintage plate on your car.

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That's the route I ultimately had to take. Thankfully, the color works better w/Polo Red.

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Does your rear wiper "park" when you turn it off? Mine doesn't yet with three wires to the motor it seems to me it should.

my 69S twin down under car to Bryces also has a rear wiper and yes it parks

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Yes, mine parks properly when the switch is turned off and ignition is on.

Test the red wire on the motor assembly for 12v with the ignition on. If you have voltage, then I would look inside the motor assembly. There is a cam type system with a pin that is the parking mechanism. This could be inop or gummed up from lack of use.

Imagine my surprise today when I came across another early car coming through my neighborhood in the opposite direction. Intown Atlanta isn't like Southern California when it comes to early Porsche sightings. We rolled down our windows as we pulled up to each other. He told me to follow him as he was going to see yet another early car to hang out and tinker for the afternoon...

Wait... huh?

How have I not seen these cars before? I wasn't even on my normal route out of the 'hood to the highway, so this was definitely a chance encounter.

Turns out all 3 of us have 69 cars. And all 2nd owner cars at that! We sat around chatting and crawling over the cars for a while.

All this 1/2 mile from my house... who knew!

Anyway, I put the guys onto the early S registry and told them I would post a quick write up to welcome them to the fold. I also told them we don't care that their cars are 912s, now do we...

Welcome guys!

P.S. I left our get together with a serious case of garage envy!!!

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I can certainly imagine your surprise. Great entry, and reaally nice garage.

Hi Bryce, missed u today at C and O. Great show. What color is the 911 in the garage? Looks like mine.

Imagine it- sepia brown, bahama yellow, and polo red- it was really quite a scene. we set the timing on Tim's yellow car and got it to stop backfiring. He running an 061 dizzy that has vacuum advance, but vacuum isn't hooked up, so it was tough finding a good setting that gave decent idle, and advance for power at 3000-4000 RPM ( sweet spot for the 912), and no backfiring. whats great is his car, while running webers came with manifolds and the original solex so he can go back to OEM if he wants.. He xven had an original solex float level P78 tool- totally jealous! we will definitely get together soon

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Imagine it- sepia brown, bahama yellow, and polo red- it was really quite a scene. we set the timing on Tim's yellow car and got it to stop backfiring. He running an 061 dizzy that has vacuum advance, but vacuum isn't hooked up, so it was tough finding a good setting that gave decent idle, and advance for power at 3000-4000 RPM ( sweet spot for the 912), and no backfiring. whats great is his car, while running webers came with manifolds and the original solex so he can go back to OEM if he wants.. He xven had an original solex float level P78 tool- totally jealous! we will definitely get together soon

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Very cool. From what I have read, studied and been told, Solex's are best left in the box, where mine are being stored, and the Webers will remain on the car, at least on my 66'. Let the next care giver bang his head. Love that Sepia shot. It would be very cool to all get together for a local photo shoot with some nice local backgrounds like Piedmont Park or something.

Michael's knowledge about the mechanics of 912 is truly amazing. He was able to fix my timing issue pretty quickly. He also has a nice collection of cars and another beauty is about to join the collection. Pretty jealous ;-)
I am pretty happy that the car came with the original solexes since if I ever decide to go totally OEM as Michael mentioned I have the option to do so. Michaels sepia brown came with a unique interior color that I never saw before, truly unique and beautiful color combination.

It was really nice to meet both Michael and Bryce and hope to see you soon.

Tim

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Very cool. From what I have read, studied and been told, Solex's are best left in the box, where mine are being stored, and the Webers will remain on the car, at least on my 66'. Let the next care giver bang his head. Love that Sepia shot. It would be very cool to all get together for a local photo shoot with some nice local backgrounds like Piedmont Park or something.

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Sorry Mark, couldn't disagree more, every Weber conversion I've seen just had hacked up linkage and fuel lines, and didn't run as well as the Solexes because for some reason the Weber kits seem to come with smaller venturis. I'll take the Solexes anytime.

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Very cool. From what I have read, studied and been told, Solex's are best left in the box, where mine are being stored, and the Webers will remain on the car, at least on my 66'. Let the next care giver bang his head. Love that Sepia shot. It would be very cool to all get together for a local photo shoot with some nice local backgrounds like Piedmont Park or something.

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Mark, remember these cars I met up with yesterday were 912s... Your 66 is a 911, so the Solex/Weber story is different

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Mark, remember these cars I met up with yesterday were 912s... Your 66 is a 911, so the Solex/Weber story is different

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Ah, big difference. My bad, I was thinking 911's the entire time. Thanks for correcting. Yes, 912, Solex's all he way. Can't wait to meet you guys and talk cars.

Mark,

I was following your restoration tread and amazed with all the metal fabrication and welding you did to your 912. I also sent a message to you through 912 BBS but I realize you don't follow the 912 world any longer since you have 2 911s ;-)

I have a couple of rusty spots and would like to get your opinion in regards to what needs to be done to the car. Maybe I can show it to you once all of us get together one of these days.

Thanks,

Tim

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Mark,

I was following your restoration tread and amazed with all the metal fabrication and welding you did to your 912. I also sent a message to you through 912 BBS but I realize you don't follow the 912 world any longer since you have 2 911s ;-)

I have a couple of rusty spots and would like to get your opinion in regards to what needs to be done to the car. Maybe I can show it to you once all of us get together one of these days.

Thanks,

Tim

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Tim, I did send you a reply on some forum, not sure which one, very late though after not seeing it for some time. PM my your email and we can communicate better via email. I would be happy to look at it anytime. Cheers, Mark

another pic from the weekend. Bryce's car and Tim's have nice paint. Mine had a few sections resprayed 25 yrs ago but still wears some original paint. some buffed down to primer- hard to get original paint to shine like theirs but I love the patina. the 912 Solex's, when properly tuned, are amazing. but everything has to be perfect- float level, mixture, synchronization, throttle linkage, throttle body butterfly bushings, accelerator diaphragm pump injection volume, jets, and timing, and advance. I spent several long weekends, pulling carbs over and over, rebuilding them, and fine tuning, but with great success.

Michael,

What a nice shot. Next time we need to include your sepia brown in the frame. She needs some exposure :-)

My car can use a respray also, it looks nice but when you start to look under the magnifying glass you can notice the imperfections.

Hello Bryce,
Read the whole thread again today. What a great car and story!
When I started looking for my first car, several people advised me to stay away from the 69S. I´m still not quite sure why, but think this model used to be a bit misunderstood. Over the years reading on this forum, I have started to appreciate it more and more and if I was going to start all over again and only have one car, it would be a 69S :)

I have never driven one, but in my head it is the best of both worlds when I compare to 2,2S MFI and 2.0S with carbs.

Radmund

I have not read this thread - but I look forward now that I know it exists !! :o beautiful machine.

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Hello Bryce,
Read the whole thread again today. What a great car and story!
When I started looking for my first car, several people advised me to stay away from the 69S. I´m still not quite sure why, but think this model used to be a bit misunderstood. Over the years reading on this forum, I have started to appreciate it more and more and if I was going to start all over again and only have one car, it would be a 69S :)

I have never driven one, but in my head it is the best of both worlds when I compare to 2,2S MFI and 2.0S with carbs.

Radmund

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Thanks, Radmund. I am very fortunate to own this car and still be able to enjoy it as much as I do.

Your comments are very accurate, in my biased yet humble opinion...;) The 69S is misunderstood by many. It sits in a transition period for the factory between SWB and LWB, the dawn of the first displacement increase and lowering of compression to "compromise" for environmental and quite honestly, everyday driveability reasons (read more "street", less "race").

The engine feels very different from a 67S even. And I have driven and owned others... nothing sounds like a 69S for sure. There is no other engine that has so much race department technology stuffed into it, like the one year only MFI setup, front cooler plumbing, one year only huge valves, one year only pistons, etc. It's a 906 single plug engine for the street, a true factory hot rod.

The challenge with keeping one of these original is tracking down the one year only engine bits. The heads and pistons are hard to come by, as they were often used for different applications in race engines, getting twin plugged, etc. So this could be the reason you have been advised to stay away.

But I am a bit of a Porsche history buff and I do think the 69S represents the last of the original breed, born during the plastic prototype obsession at the factory that nearly killed the company, with all the lightweight trickery of Piëch finding its way onto this car.

I also love that my car was built in the few weeks between these very famous events at the factory. It was an exciting and stressful time, and out of it came my example of their interpretation of the best they could build at the moment.

January 1969 - the Monte Carlo cars
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April 1969 - 917 FIA Homologation inspection
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Bryce, great pic of Monte Carlo cars. Love looking at stuff in the background as well. The Mercedes wagon support vehicle is neat. Also, look far right foreground, is that a 911 covered in snow? If it had been sitting there long enough to be piled with snow like that, you can only imagine what might be hiding under there.

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Rust, most likely ;)

Yes, that pre Monte pic has always appealed to me too. Unvarnished, weekday at the werks photo. An impromptu photo op, very casual. Here's one more from the same session.

It's also not lost on me either that my car's color scheme and side scripts, auxiliary lights, etc were very much modeled after these cars. I know what was on Captain Mike's mind when he ordered the car in the fall of 1968.

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I don't know about impromptu, those guys in the background were told to stand there looking important. And the time to assemble all those guys at one time had to require some coordination, but still a cool pic. Have you id'ed those people?

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Ok. How about "hastily arranged"? :rolleyes:

So the drivers and co drivers are easy to pick out. The brown and green overalls are what I assume to be the werks race department mechanics. It would be interesting to learn if the different overall colors meant something.

I think Rico Steinemann (recent or soon to be head of racing department) could be in the middle in the coat and tie. Hard to tell in this resolution. The rally program wasn't a top priority when compared to the World Championship of Makes and especially the endurance tests (prototypes), so the two suits were the ones very close to the project I imagine.

what a great thread and pics both old and new

Not an obituary...

Just another numbers post from me.

Today, my car is 45 years old...

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and has exactly 90,000 documented miles. The odometer clicked over as I pulled onto my street last weekend after a quick drive. It has sat that way all week through the bad weather here in Atlanta.

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2k miles a year average. Some of these years were very lean, others were extremely high mileage, particularly early in its life.

Some random data points:

May 15, 1969 = Car went into service. Completed 300 mile break in period overnight and returned next day for service.
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July 1969 - 6000 (!) mile service. 2 months after delivery!!!
Captain Mike had taken it on a camping and sight seeing trip up into Canada's Gaspé Peninsula. Also included on this trip was a stop in Watkins Glen for the Can Am event that year. The car spent its first few years of its life stored for six month stints, as Mike was on duty. So when he was back home, the car was driven in great bursts then put away for a time in a bonded warehouse.
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June 1971 - 37000 miles. I know that this is right around when the car seized to be a daily driver.
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July 1976 - 52262 miles
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Then things slow down in the early 80s when he took it off the road for work. Annual inspections show:
March 1980 - 69285
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Feb 1985 - 72140
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October 1995 - 82600. Incidentally, this is around the first time I ever saw the car. Hard to believe that was almost 20 years ago...
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April 2011 - 83956. This was the mileage when I purchased the car. 1300 miles in 16 years. It had sat at this number for a while due to Mike's unfortunate health situation and familial priorities. I have put about 6k miles on the car in a little under 3 years.


At any rate, I thought a quick tribute to the car and its ownership was in order. Happy 45th!

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So it may be a while before you can get more mileage on it- if your weather there doesn't change soon. Crazy.


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. . . 1969

What a year

Sure glad someone had time for cars

Top hits . . .
1) Sugar, Sugar, The Archies . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liu7J3Tl-xE
2) Aquarius / Let the Sunshine In, The Fifth Dimension . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bRKJtXc9g
3) I Can't Get Next to You, The Temptations . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OBBO8tOkM
4) Honky Tonk Women, The Rolling Stones . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdrG2Rl77g
5) Everyday People, Sly and The Family Stone . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMISZKff3m0

It's funny, Rick. I have been entertaining the idea of starting a '1969' thread.

Everything 69:
-Music
-War/Peace
-Armstrong on the moon
-Battle of automatic chronographs (Zenith EP, Heuer, etc)
-the cars (MB 6.3, Ferrari, muscle cars, end of an era, etc)
-the races
-world beat, etc

All from the perspective of someone born in 1970... :D

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. . . -Armstrong on the moon . . .

. . . All from the perspective of someone born in 1970... :D . . .

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I watched those landings

I was 11

Amazing times . . . still

A busy summer, but not on the car front.
Move - the buy and sell, and the inevitable drama of the actual move. Luckily staying local in the 'hood.
Kids - 4 yo and 1 1/2 yo...

equals

Not alotta car time.

In fact, a good friend let me stow the car away at his place during the whole ordeal. Kept it outta the house showing/move fray.

This spring's service was the usual items plus some minor mods.
+Oil/filter = BPenn 20w/50
+Valve adjustment - Only one or two were out
+Plugs - changed from the old stock/hen$ teeth Bo$ch platinum to some NGK which definitely seem to be hotter plugs = good news
+Compression = all consistent
+Leakdown = 2-3% all around
+Replaced the original tie rods (completely shot) with turbo tie rods. This little change transformed the way the car feels through the steering wheel. Much more positive feedback, less useless chatter. Should have snapped a pic of the originals... they were gone.
+Some minor plumbing of vent lines from the dual batteries overboard to keep the trunk area battery gas free...

Car leaks oil in usual places for a 1st generation magnesium case. Living with it all for now since from a running standpoint the car is in top form for a 45 year old unsplit powerplant.
Gas mileage is still around 20mpg if I drive it long enough to get some reliable data.

On the list are SSIs--purchased, but shelved for the time being. A pinhole exhaust leak in the factory mild steelies on the car that hasn't gotten worse... but I sense it's gonna.

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Looks like your car has good company during the move

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So mileage is ~90,400 now. And that includes the little excursion I took a couple weeks back of ~250 miles.

With all the spectacular west coast events going on this year, my little trip pales in comparison but here it is

Inspired by all the great posts lately, especially Thomas's 912 in Italy update and the AUS camping excursion, I had to get away in my car, even if it was for a half day.

We've had an unusually mild summer this year in Hotlanta. A few record lows (~60), often couple with some low humidity spells. A couple weeks ago brought one of these special August days, so I took advantage of it. Left the house ~5:30am from intown. made my way north onto some of the better driving roads that begin in the outer suburbs/exurbs of the city. Then spent some time on popular loops in the mountains... these roads are usually crawling with traffic and police on the weekends... but not so at 7am on a Thursday.

I am always amazed at how much better a 911 seems to run after it's been used properly. Oil up to temperature, sustained time behind the wheel, RPM bursts, front cooler engages, etc.

Made it back by lunch in time to check in for a birthday lunch for one of three musketeers at the shop. Spent some time in the Carrera... a perfect Porsche day.

Some grainy, over and underexposed phone cam shots to prove it happened, Rick (LongRanger) !

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Fog and upper 50s, right before sunrise

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Low light levels + cam phone snap = super grainy

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Love this rear end!

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Where else but Neel's Gap on 129!

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Just outside of Suches on 180

And a quick thank you to all the other members who post updates on your cars and excursions. Still a small minority, but it's what keeps the board alive. I've noticed what appears to be growing number of newbies grabbing the gauntlet and doing the same. Much appreciated by everyone, even the silent majority I suspect

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Yes, it's rarefied air at times at the shop, Scott. A real treat!

Good news is my new place has a huge garage, so more time to spread out on the car under my own roof. Almost a 2 x 2 arrangement with an (unpictured) work room off the side. Move the strollers out of the way and there is easily room for another hobby car, much to wife's chagrin...:)

Still needs some sorting but will be ideal garage/man cave eventually.

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. . . With all the spectacular west coast events going on this year . . .

. . . Inspired by all the great posts lately . . . I had to get away in my car, even if it was for a half day . . .

. . . always amazed at how much better a 911 seems to run after it's been used properly . . .

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Yup --- Porsches really love to run. It's what 911s were made for. And why I got mine. Never get tired of it . . . and it just gets better, sweeter --- happy to be out

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Best kind! I can miss the 'studio' + glam shots. Gimme some movement, action . . .

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Thank you, Bryce . . .

Sharing a Drive always reminds me . . .


. . . why I drive

Fitting that the end of 2014 brought about the removal of the mild steel heat exchangers. Some pinholes developed which created some popping and the general appearance was going down hill.

Had to cut off all that pre-heat trap stuff for the 72-73 cars on the left exchanger. Just didn't seem right to leave it there.

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Glad we did as the SSIs look great. Haven't driven it enough yet to see if they sound or "feel" any different.

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Obligatory engine shot. Some "69" only stuff here. The pump, the breather cover, enrichment thermotime switch, the plastic intake trumpets...

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Ready for 2015 and hopefully more driving opportunities.

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Yes, it's rarefied air at times at the shop, Scott. A real treat!

Good news is my new place has a huge garage, so more time to spread out on the car under my own roof. Almost a 2 x 2 arrangement with an (unpictured) work room off the side. Move the strollers out of the way and there is easily room for another hobby car, much to wife's chagrin...:)

Still needs some sorting but will be ideal garage/man cave eventually.

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Bryce, Happy New Year. Don't know how I missed the post about the new digs. Garage space looks awesome. I know you must be very happy. SSI's look great. Maybe one of these days I'll actually join you one a morning drive. Keep on posting for us. Thx.

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. . . Fitting that the end of 2014 brought about the removal of the mild steel heat exchangers. Some pinholes developed which created some popping and the general appearance was going down hill.

Had to cut off all that pre-heat trap stuff for the 72-73 cars on the left exchanger. Just didn't seem right to leave it there . . .

. . . Glad we did as the SSIs look great . . .

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Hey, Bryce . . .

Always great to read about your car. Love that 'work shop' shot, too . . . garage floor? Where did you get your SSIs from + how much? I read that the outfit got purchased, then everything moved to the EU, so . . . curious

Looks like you have some nice driving weather, too. 'Bout time

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Hey, Bryce . . .

Always great to read about your car. Love that 'work shop' shot, too . . . garage floor? Where did you get your SSIs from + how much? I read that the outfit got purchased, then everything moved to the EU, so . . . curious

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Not my garage floor, I wish though!
The SSIs are the Dansk versions, purchased recently. I was trying to hold out for a set of the original SSIs but they weren't coming up for sale anywhere. We compared prices and bought a few sets at once which may have saved a bit, don't remember specifics.

Regarding fit and finish. They are very impressive materials and build quality wise. All the welds looked great. On my car (MFI, 2.0), the fit was perfect. Absolutely no issues anywhere, clearance or alignment wise.

I am aware of a couple sets that went on 2.4 cars that had fit issues. One for a CIS car and the other for an MFI. The right side unit came into contact with the oil cooler and the left side unit had issues with the crossover line if I recall.

It's hard to imagine the dimensions of the engine changing from 2.0 to 2.4 to effect this, so we are sort of chalking it up to some discrepancies in the manufacturing process. Maybe someone will chime in with authority on why this was the case.

Re: weather. It's been a wet an dreary winter so far but the bigger factor for me is having the time. Life is getting busier with the family growing up...

Another year --- almost . . .

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91,700 miles. 1700 from Feb 2014 (see previous posts on the car's birthday).

Unfortunately, not a whole lot to update. Minimal interesting driving opps this past year due to lack of time. Family life takes precedence currently. My RR V trip required all my long weekend car related chips on the table... :)

Just replaced the fuel level sender gasket due to strong odor at last fill up pointing to some dampness at the top of the tank.

Winter service to include oil and filter and rebuild of a couple of the oil lines from the tank with the proper Cohline hose.

Threatening to have car professionally polished to clean up the paint. It's the old school single stage Glasurit and I'm frankly not up to the task.

Car runs great, starts with the first turn of the key all the time. Excellent leakdown, consistent compression.

Everything works. One of my main priorities in ownership is to keep all systems and doodads operational, and this car has a lot of "stuff" on it (auxiliary lights, rear wiper etc etc).

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Life

First time seeing this thread and immediately noticed what looks like a lamp attached underneath the engine cover. I quickly scanned the thread and did not see any mention of the engine compartment lamp. I'm asking because I had never seen one before and my COA states my 1972 S came with one.

Great looking "S"

Lash

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. . . noticed what looks like a lamp attached underneath the engine cover . . .

. . . asking because I had never seen one before and my COA states my 1972 S came with one . . .

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Option M482 --- see post #89 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-Options/page9

Thanks, now I know what the engine compartment lamp looks like. The unit attached underneath the engine cover must be the rear window wiper assembly.

Lash